Daboll: Matt Cassel is a winner

[Hammock Parties]

Holy shit. The propganda machine is churning.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d...-new-chiefs-oc

Matt Cassel has had an up-and-down three-season run with the Kansas City Chiefs, but new offensive coordinator Brian Daboll believes he inherited a winner at the quarterback position.

Cassel led the New England Patriots to an 11-5 record after Tom Brady wrecked his knee in Week 1 of the 2008 season. He later piloted the Chiefs to a 10-6 mark and an AFC West title in 2010. Cassel has never won a playoff game -- in fact, he played terribly against the Ravens in his only postseason start -- but Daboll sees a player who knows how to lead his team.


"He's been a winner," Daboll told reporters Thursday, according to ESPN.com. "He's had two 10-plus win seasons. I did a study just this offseason about 10-plus-win quarterbacks, which is what you're defined by, obviously. There's been nine of them in the last four years that have had two or more 10-plus win seasons in the regular season, and Matt is one of them.

"The other ones being Brady, (Drew) Brees, (Aaron) Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Ben Roethlisberger, Eli (Manning), (Joe) Flacco, (Matt) Ryan, so he's been a winner. He works his tail off in the classroom. I think he's done a good job in these OTAs, and I'm looking forward to working with him."

Daboll finds a creative way to lump Cassel in with a group of the game's best quarterbacks, but he does leave out the big picture. Despite those 10-plus win seasons, Cassel is a pedestrian 28-26 in games he's started overall.

If you really are defined by your record, this seems about right.

[rico]

Originally Posted by BoneKrusher

yeah, i know.
like we said he's just trying to polish a turd, hoping we wont notice the smell..

The most disheartening thing is.......many of the average fans don't notice the smell.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by chiefsfootballfan

Well, once again, I am reminded I am discussing football with Chiefs fans. Carry on

You're arguing something pretty contentious here. This isn't "Matt Cassel sucks".

Give us some video. More stats. Talk about specific in-game situations.

Just saying, "LOL DUMBASS CHIEFS FANS" isn't an argument, reerun

[whoman69]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

I have never read where Pioli said the QB position would be "open competition". I have read where he said he wanted some competition at the position. There is a huge difference.

Where has he ever said there would be an "open competition"? Please provide the link, I have read that 100 times now but I have never seen where this was stated by Pioli.

I can't really stand Pioli but I can't stand things being quoted as fact that simply aren't accurate either. This "open competition" statement appears to be another CP urban legend unless I have totally missed something.

Competion/Open Competition. Who cares. He said he wanted to bring in competition at QB and he brings in Quinn. Something doesn't add up. Quinn was never going to be competition for Cassel.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by whoman69

Competion/Open Competition. Who cares. He said he wanted to bring in competition at QB and he brings in Quinn. Something doesn't add up. Quinn was never going to be competition for Cassel.

IMO there is a huge difference between stating you want "competition" at the position and there is going to be "open competition" which is what people keep saying.

Competition may simply imply you want somebody who can push the starter, in this case Casshole. And in this case I think he has that form of competition from 2 guys unlike last year.

An "open competition" implies the starting QB position is open and unsettled. Pioli has stated many times Casshole is the starter.

I like most of CP would love for the starting job to be an open competition, but I don't believe Pioli ever said that was the case.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by SNR

You're arguing something pretty contentious here. This isn't "Matt Cassel sucks".

Give us some video. More stats. Talk about specific in-game situations.

Just saying, "LOL DUMBASS CHIEFS FANS" isn't an argument, reerun

Well, I don't argue with idiots. Not to say you or anyone here is one, but instead, to say there are some fans here that act like idiots.

I thought I'd laid out some video, some observations and stats that back up my claims, which are somewhere in the area of "Cassel is never going to amount to anything and neither is Dwayne Bowe, and that is your team's biggest problem". But, as they say, you can lead a horse to water..

My point is, your #1 WR is part of a underachieving passing game, yet all Chiefs fans claim the QB is to blame and Bowe is gonna be great with "Andrew Luck" etc. They don't know that when a young group -- QB & #1 WR get together, the ones that catch fire and do things are equally talented and they feed upon each other's performances.

The point I made about Bowe's routes are not something that can be debated via stats and I also reminded folks who primarily follow Bowe that they do not see what I see because they don't go to the games.

So, it becomes a pissing contest of sorts and I don't really have a lot of interest in that. The one bit of evidence I did point out was something most of you can at least acknowledge, though you don't seem to -- Bowe never gets separation, he's never really open. Instead, he is seen fighting for the ball during about every catch. That is evidence he is not a good route runner. But, alas, nobody disputes, so the conversation turns to garbage.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by DJJasonp

My thinking is......

Is Cassel's confidence so fragile, that the chiefs PR machine has to continuously kick out these nonsense statements.....so he doesnt get his feelings hurt?

Cause he's gotta be the only guy left on the planet who still believes the propoganda.

This

[Bump]

we are so ****ed

why couldn't we have just sucked for Luck, seriously.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by Bump

we are so ****ed

why couldn't we have just sucked for Luck, seriously.

Because the players aren't fans?

[bricks]

Originally Posted by King_Chief_Fan

been on a good team? when, in NE?
Hasn't been on one since he has been in KC...and maybe he is the reason they haven't been good, but he isn't the only reason.
Since Cassel arrived, it has been a freak show carnival.
Offensive Coordinator revolving door -
Head case head coach
Worse D coordinator since Grob (got much better after Crennel got here)
2011 with all the play makers on the DL.

This year, Cassel is on a good team. Most if not all pieces to be successful are in place. All the excuses will be gone.

Yes the NE team was good and imo so was that 2010 10-6 Chiefs team.

I agree with you in that Chiefs are a good team. They have all the components in place to be successful. They can contend for the division but because of Cassel they will not achieve excellence. He is the reason why they are playoff pretenders and not contenders.

Him not winning a game against playoff teams speaks high volumes of where the Chiefs stand and will be. I expect a possible division title and a 1st round playoff loss.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by bricks

Yes the NE team was good and imo so was that 2010 10-6 Chiefs team.

I agree with you in that Chiefs are a good team. They have all the components in place to be successful. They can contend for the division but because of Cassel they will not achieve excellence. He is the reason why they are playoff pretenders and not contenders.

Him not winning a game against playoff teams speaks high volumes of where the Chiefs stand and will be. I expect a possible division title and a 1st round playoff loss.

Is Cassel the reason Dwayne Bowe never caught a pass during his playoff game? Because I don't think so. I think it was because Dwayne Bowe couldn't get open.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by Bowser

Bowser: Daboll is and idiot moran.

FYP

[-King-]

Originally Posted by chiefsfootballfan

Well, I don't argue with idiots. Not to say you or anyone here is one, but instead, to say there are some fans here that act like idiots.

I thought I'd laid out some video, some observations and stats that back up my claims, which are somewhere in the area of "Cassel is never going to amount to anything and neither is Dwayne Bowe, and that is your team's biggest problem". But, as they say, you can lead a horse to water..

My point is, your #1 WR is part of a underachieving passing game, yet all Chiefs fans claim the QB is to blame and Bowe is gonna be great with "Andrew Luck" etc. They don't know that when a young group -- QB & #1 WR get together, the ones that catch fire and do things are equally talented and they feed upon each other's performances.

The point I made about Bowe's routes are not something that can be debated via stats and I also reminded folks who primarily follow Bowe that they do not see what I see because they don't go to the games.

So, it becomes a pissing contest of sorts and I don't really have a lot of interest in that. The one bit of evidence I did point out was something most of you can at least acknowledge, though you don't seem to -- Bowe never gets separation, he's never really open. Instead, he is seen fighting for the ball during about every catch. That is evidence he is not a good route runner. But, alas, nobody disputes, so the conversation turns to garbage.

So basically, he has the best hands in football history huh?

If he has to fight for all of his 81 receptions, then he either has the best hands in the league or cornerbacks allow him to catch the balls.

Which one is it?

[-King-]

Originally Posted by chiefsfootballfan

Is Cassel the reason Dwayne Bowe never caught a pass during his playoff game? Because I don't think so. I think it was because Dwayne Bowe couldn't get open.

Nah, it was the fact that Cassel was preoccupied with throwing to the other team.

[Ace Gunner]

Oh, and before I forget -- I go on record here saying those of you who think Brian Daboll is not a good OC have no idea what you are talking about. He's not Charlie Weis, but he did work with Charlie and he is a good OC.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by -King-

So basically, he has the best hands in football history huh?

If he has to fight for all of his 81 receptions, then he either has the best hands in the league or cornerbacks allow him to catch the balls.

Which one is it?

Tell ya what. Let's just watch what happens to Dwayne Bowe this year. Then we can discuss it as it unfolds.