KK wrong about success of ASG

[KingPriest2]

Remember when we were awarded the ASG and KK said that KC will be a embarrassment? Then last summer a article in SI had a player talking about coming here and some players weren't sure. KK took off with that as ammo saying we shouldn't host the game?

Now he s saying that he expected it

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by -King-

So how many more people a year would the K average if it was downtown?

They'd get maybe 3 thousand more per game if the game was downtown. As long as they lose 90 games per year, it wouldn't matter if the stadium was downtown, uptown or lefttown.

3,000 x 81 x $100 comes to nearly $25,000,000 per year. That's enough to sign an ace and a solid #2 starter. Suddenly, you could have a good team AND a stadium in a location that makes sense.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

3,000 x 81 x $100 comes to nearly $25,000,000 per year. That's enough to sign an ace and a solid #2 starter. Suddenly, you could have a good team AND a stadium in a location that makes sense.

x100?


For a Royals game?

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

3,000 x 81 x $100 comes to nearly $25,000,000 per year. That's enough to sign an ace and a solid #2 starter. Suddenly, you could have a good team AND a stadium in a location that makes sense.

$100?!?

edit: Also, chalk me up as highly, highly skeptical that downtown would help. I don't live in KC. The K is extremely convenient. Speaking for just myself, a downtown stadium would, at best, be a wash. Maybe I'll go to the same number of games, but there's a possibility I'd go to fewer due to the increased hassle.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by alnorth

$100?!?

edit: Also, chalk me up as highly, highly skeptical that downtown would help. I don't live in KC. The K is extremely convenient. Speaking for just myself, a downtown stadium would, at best, be a wash. Maybe I'll go to the same number of games, but there's a possibility I'd go to fewer due to the increased hassle.

Or you would go to more. 35 goes right down town theres more hotels downtown than in the middle of nowhere. Theres plenty of things for families to do for a whole weekend downtown. You can walk to legoland, the aquarium, etc.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by -King-

x100?


For a Royals game?

$30 for a ticket.
Five beers at $8 each
$10 for food.

Call it $80 if you want. You're still talking about twenty million. The crowd at downtown games spend more money on average because a huge percentage of them are entertaining with expense accounts.

[blaise]

It's not like the stadiums are that far from downtown. People act like it's in Gardner or something.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by blaise

It's not like the stadiums are that far from downtown. People act like it's in Gardner or something.

It's not just the distance. If you have to get in your car and drive, it's a pain in the ass compared with walking across the street. If you can't pre-party at a bar near the stadium, it isn't as fun.

Leave the office at five...game is at seven...what should I do?

Should I go hang out at a bar by the stadium? No, there aren't any. How about a restaurant? No, there aren't any. Maybe I'll do some shopping. No, there isn't any.

Instead, you can either go home for thirty minutes, get back in your car and drive to Raytown and then go right back home or drive twenty more minutes to a bar to post game, or you can go out for drinks, then drive half drunk to the game, have more drinks, drive completely drunk for twenty more minutes to another bar to post game, and then get a DUI on the way home.

Look, I love Royals games. They are boring as ****, though. There is a reason people love going to Cubs games, and it's not because they win. It's because you pre game at Captain Morgan's and postgame at Cubby Bear.

[Raiderhater]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

That's great and all, but 7-11 employees aren't really going to fill up stadiums. If you're going to put three million asses in the seats, you're going to need to get white collar people with expense accounts taking their clients to games, buying them booze, etc.

Businesses buy season tickets. When there is a day game in Saint Louis, half the people there are using company tickets. It's not as appealing to drive out to ****ing Raytown as it is to walk across the street, and it's sure as shit not as appealing to drink Sprite at Denny's afterwards as it is to down Sapphire and tonics on a rooftop bar fifty stories up across the street from Busch Stadium.

It blows my mind that people actually think that the Truman Sports Complex is as good of a place for a baseball stadium as downtown next to the Kauffman Center.

This is why Kansas City has an airport just south of Des Moines, a city council that gets into flame wars with its mayor (even though they belong to the same political party), and schools that can't seem to hang on to their accreditation for longer than a Kardashian can stay married.

You mean the same people who sit in the Club Level at Arrowhead? Pfft, I could do with out those limp wristed, white zin drinking fuddy duddies making any kind of appearance at games anyway. You are only furthering my belief that things should stay as they are.

[Raiderhater]

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

Keep in mind people on this board think building arenas and polishing turd stadiums is more important than improving schools and 100 year old sewers.

It's common sense downtown has more people and more stuff to do. You wouldn't see 10k at the K on a Tuesday night if the stadium were built downtown.

You might actually see less considering there are more things to do rather watch a losing ball club.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

It's not just the distance. If you have to get in your car and drive, it's a pain in the ass compared with walking across the street. If you can't pre-party at a bar near the stadium, it isn't as fun.

Leave the office at five...game is at seven...what should I do?

Should I go hang out at a bar by the stadium? No, there aren't any. How about a restaurant? No, there aren't any. Maybe I'll do some shopping. No, there isn't any.

Instead, you can either go home for thirty minutes, get back in your car and drive to Raytown and then go right back home or drive twenty more minutes to a bar to post game, or you can go out for drinks, then drive half drunk to the game, have more drinks, drive completely drunk for twenty more minutes to another bar to post game, and then get a DUI on the way home.

Look, I love Royals games. They are boring as ****, though. There is a reason people love going to Cubs games, and it's not because they win. It's because you pre game at Captain Morgan's and postgame at Cubby Bear.

Or maybe it's because Chicago has 8 million more people than KC? If KC had 8 million more people, Kauffman would fill up no matter what also.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

It's not just the distance. If you have to get in your car and drive, it's a pain in the ass compared with walking across the street. If you can't pre-party at a bar near the stadium, it isn't as fun.

Leave the office at five...game is at seven...what should I do?

Should I go hang out at a bar by the stadium? No, there aren't any. How about a restaurant? No, there aren't any. Maybe I'll do some shopping. No, there isn't any.

Instead, you can either go home for thirty minutes, get back in your car and drive to Raytown and then go right back home or drive twenty more minutes to a bar to post game, or you can go out for drinks, then drive half drunk to the game, have more drinks, drive completely drunk for twenty more minutes to another bar to post game, and then get a DUI on the way home.

Look, I love Royals games. They are boring as ****, though. There is a reason people love going to Cubs games, and it's not because they win. It's because you pre game at Captain Morgan's and postgame at Cubby Bear.

Just how many hundreds of thousands or millions of people do you think will work close to the stadium?

I don't care where you hypothetically place the stadium, you are not going to get 3,000 extra people within close walking distance decide to, walk, after work, to a game 81 times a year, and you definitely will lose tickets on people thinking "eh, not today, its a pain in the ass to park, maybe next month"

[Raiderhater]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

3,000 x 81 x $100 comes to nearly $25,000,000 per year. That's enough to sign an ace and a solid #2 starter. Suddenly, you could have a good team AND a stadium in a location that makes sense.

Wait, Glass would actually spend the extra revenue on the roster in stead of stuffing it in own pockets? I'm confused.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by -King-

Or maybe it's because Chicago has 8 million more people than KC? If KC had 8 million more people, Kauffman would fill up no matter what also.

Given the size of KC, we're doing pretty damned good. People are acting like downtown KC is a massive global megalopolis with the streets teeming with hordes of people.

[Raiderhater]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

It's not just the distance. If you have to get in your car and drive, it's a pain in the ass compared with walking across the street. If you can't pre-party at a bar near the stadium, it isn't as fun.

Leave the office at five...game is at seven...what should I do?

Should I go hang out at a bar by the stadium? No, there aren't any. How about a restaurant? No, there aren't any. Maybe I'll do some shopping. No, there isn't any.

Instead, you can either go home for thirty minutes, get back in your car and drive to Raytown and then go right back home or drive twenty more minutes to a bar to post game, or you can go out for drinks, then drive half drunk to the game, have more drinks, drive completely drunk for twenty more minutes to another bar to post game, and then get a DUI on the way home.

Look, I love Royals games. They are boring as ****, though. There is a reason people love going to Cubs games, and it's not because they win. It's because you pre game at Captain Morgan's and postgame at Cubby Bear.

You keep talking about this walking across the street thing. Honestly, how many people in the metro work downtown? If you ask me, MOST people will still have to get in their car and drive some where. So I'm not seeing how this makes things any simpler. Once you factor in the parking hassle, I see it still being LESS simple.

[blaise]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

It's not just the distance. If you have to get in your car and drive, it's a pain in the ass compared with walking across the street. If you can't pre-party at a bar near the stadium, it isn't as fun.

Leave the office at five...game is at seven...what should I do?

Should I go hang out at a bar by the stadium? No, there aren't any. How about a restaurant? No, there aren't any. Maybe I'll do some shopping. No, there isn't any.

Instead, you can either go home for thirty minutes, get back in your car and drive to Raytown and then go right back home or drive twenty more minutes to a bar to post game, or you can go out for drinks, then drive half drunk to the game, have more drinks, drive completely drunk for twenty more minutes to another bar to post game, and then get a DUI on the way home.

Look, I love Royals games. They are boring as ****, though. There is a reason people love going to Cubs games, and it's not because they win. It's because you pre game at Captain Morgan's and postgame at Cubby Bear.

Chicago has like 9 million people, and can't you take the train to Wrigley? There's no train in KC, you'd still have to drive eventually. I don't even know if the downtown KC area would turn into some party zone. It's not that huge of a commercial district as far as I can tell. I worked down there. I've been to downtown stadiums.
I also used to work downtown Houston and so did my wife. You could see Minute Maid from her office. Still, we had a kid, so we just got out of downtown anyway. He was in daycare across town.
And if we wanted to go get our kid and drive back downtown? Forget it. Parking was $20, unless you wanted to take your chances and cruise around for 25 minutes.
I like downtown stadiums, but I just don't think a downtown KC stadium would turn downtown into some party zone.
As far as getting a DUI on the way home- that would be the same with a downtown stadium. People would still be driving back to Johnson County or wherever. And most employers probably wouldn't let you leave your car in their parking lot until 10:30 PM anyway.