KK wrong about success of ASG

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by blaise

It's not like the stadiums are that far from downtown. People act like it's in Gardner or something.

It's not just the distance. If you have to get in your car and drive, it's a pain in the ass compared with walking across the street. If you can't pre-party at a bar near the stadium, it isn't as fun.

Leave the office at five...game is at seven...what should I do?

Should I go hang out at a bar by the stadium? No, there aren't any. How about a restaurant? No, there aren't any. Maybe I'll do some shopping. No, there isn't any.

Instead, you can either go home for thirty minutes, get back in your car and drive to Raytown and then go right back home or drive twenty more minutes to a bar to post game, or you can go out for drinks, then drive half drunk to the game, have more drinks, drive completely drunk for twenty more minutes to another bar to post game, and then get a DUI on the way home.

Look, I love Royals games. They are boring as ****, though. There is a reason people love going to Cubs games, and it's not because they win. It's because you pre game at Captain Morgan's and postgame at Cubby Bear.

[-King-]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

It's not just the distance. If you have to get in your car and drive, it's a pain in the ass compared with walking across the street. If you can't pre-party at a bar near the stadium, it isn't as fun.

Leave the office at five...game is at seven...what should I do?

Should I go hang out at a bar by the stadium? No, there aren't any. How about a restaurant? No, there aren't any. Maybe I'll do some shopping. No, there isn't any.

Instead, you can either go home for thirty minutes, get back in your car and drive to Raytown and then go right back home or drive twenty more minutes to a bar to post game, or you can go out for drinks, then drive half drunk to the game, have more drinks, drive completely drunk for twenty more minutes to another bar to post game, and then get a DUI on the way home.

Look, I love Royals games. They are boring as ****, though. There is a reason people love going to Cubs games, and it's not because they win. It's because you pre game at Captain Morgan's and postgame at Cubby Bear.

Or maybe it's because Chicago has 8 million more people than KC? If KC had 8 million more people, Kauffman would fill up no matter what also.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by -King-

Or maybe it's because Chicago has 8 million more people than KC? If KC had 8 million more people, Kauffman would fill up no matter what also.

Given the size of KC, we're doing pretty damned good. People are acting like downtown KC is a massive global megalopolis with the streets teeming with hordes of people.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by -King-

Or maybe it's because Chicago has 8 million more people than KC? If KC had 8 million more people, Kauffman would fill up no matter what also.

Chicago Cubs, 33-52, last place, 8th in MLB in attendance with 37,522 fans per game which is 91.2% of capacity.

Chicago White Sox, 47-38, 25th in attendance with 23,091 per, 56.9% capacity.

I guess Chicago has more people than Chicago.

[Raiderhater]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Chicago Cubs, 33-52, last place, 8th in MLB in attendance with 37,522 fans per game which is 91.2% of capacity.

Chicago White Sox, 47-38, 25th in attendance with 23,091 per, 56.9% capacity.

I guess Chicago has more people than Chicago.

That makes no sense. You are just being ridiculous now.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Raiderhader

That makes no sense. You are just being ridiculous now.

But didn't you just say that the Cubs draw more fans than the Royals because the city is bigger? Why, then, do you think the Cubs, a last place team who last won the World Series during the Roosevelt administration, Teddy Roosevelt, nearly double up the first place Sox?

Here is Comiskey. Note that it is surrounded by parking lots.



Here is Wrigley. Note that there are dozens of bars where a giant parking lot would logically be.

[Rams Fan]

That's a pic of Old Comiskey, Saul.

And the Cubs are by far more popular than the White Sox in Chicago.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Rams Fan

That's a pic of Old Comiskey, Saul.

And the Cubs are by far more popular than the White Sox in Chicago.

The Cell was built across the street.

The Cubs are more popular because Cubs games are events what with the stadium being built in the middle of an entertainment district and all.

[Raiderhater]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

But didn't you just say that the Cubs draw more fans than the Royals because the city is bigger? Why, then, do you think the Cubs, a last place team who last won the World Series during the Roosevelt administration, Teddy Roosevelt, nearly double up the first place Sox?

Here is Comiskey. Note that it is surrounded by parking lots.



Here is Wrigley. Note that there are dozens of bars where a giant parking lot would logically be.

First of all, I am not the one who said it. But I do agree with the notion that the higher the population the better attendance a team will achieve.

As to this example of yours, could it be not so much location as it is the city is predominantly Cubs fans? I mean, they came to be 18 years before the Sox. Just thinking out loud....

As to this whole bar attachment you have, that is why we simply will not agree on this. You want party at bars before and after the games. Where as I prefer to party in the lot tailgate style.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by Raiderhader

As to this whole bar attachment you have, that is why we simply will not agree on this. You want party at bars before and after the games. Where as I prefer to party in the lot tailgate style.

Yeah I am not sure where Saul gets the idea that tailgating doesn't happen for more than 13 people at the games. Everytime I have ever been there always large groups of people cooking and playing tailgate games such as catch or bean bag toss.

[Swanman]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Chicago Cubs, 33-52, last place, 8th in MLB in attendance with 37,522 fans per game which is 91.2% of capacity.

Chicago White Sox, 47-38, 25th in attendance with 23,091 per, 56.9% capacity.

I guess Chicago has more people than Chicago.

Wrigley is smack dab in the middle of a huge residential and fairly wealthy area. Plus, the history and the fact that Cubs fans are mostly drunks and reeruns (many times both).

US Cellular is in a shitty neighborhood (although better than it used to be) and is one of the cookie cutter stadiums from the early 90's. I actually prefer going to Sox games over Cubs game because i like to actually watch the game and be around fans of the game.

[alnorth]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

It's not just the distance. If you have to get in your car and drive, it's a pain in the ass compared with walking across the street. If you can't pre-party at a bar near the stadium, it isn't as fun.

Leave the office at five...game is at seven...what should I do?

Should I go hang out at a bar by the stadium? No, there aren't any. How about a restaurant? No, there aren't any. Maybe I'll do some shopping. No, there isn't any.

Instead, you can either go home for thirty minutes, get back in your car and drive to Raytown and then go right back home or drive twenty more minutes to a bar to post game, or you can go out for drinks, then drive half drunk to the game, have more drinks, drive completely drunk for twenty more minutes to another bar to post game, and then get a DUI on the way home.

Look, I love Royals games. They are boring as ****, though. There is a reason people love going to Cubs games, and it's not because they win. It's because you pre game at Captain Morgan's and postgame at Cubby Bear.

Just how many hundreds of thousands or millions of people do you think will work close to the stadium?

I don't care where you hypothetically place the stadium, you are not going to get 3,000 extra people within close walking distance decide to, walk, after work, to a game 81 times a year, and you definitely will lose tickets on people thinking "eh, not today, its a pain in the ass to park, maybe next month"

[Raiderhater]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

It's not just the distance. If you have to get in your car and drive, it's a pain in the ass compared with walking across the street. If you can't pre-party at a bar near the stadium, it isn't as fun.

Leave the office at five...game is at seven...what should I do?

Should I go hang out at a bar by the stadium? No, there aren't any. How about a restaurant? No, there aren't any. Maybe I'll do some shopping. No, there isn't any.

Instead, you can either go home for thirty minutes, get back in your car and drive to Raytown and then go right back home or drive twenty more minutes to a bar to post game, or you can go out for drinks, then drive half drunk to the game, have more drinks, drive completely drunk for twenty more minutes to another bar to post game, and then get a DUI on the way home.

Look, I love Royals games. They are boring as ****, though. There is a reason people love going to Cubs games, and it's not because they win. It's because you pre game at Captain Morgan's and postgame at Cubby Bear.

You keep talking about this walking across the street thing. Honestly, how many people in the metro work downtown? If you ask me, MOST people will still have to get in their car and drive some where. So I'm not seeing how this makes things any simpler. Once you factor in the parking hassle, I see it still being LESS simple.

[blaise]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

It's not just the distance. If you have to get in your car and drive, it's a pain in the ass compared with walking across the street. If you can't pre-party at a bar near the stadium, it isn't as fun.

Leave the office at five...game is at seven...what should I do?

Should I go hang out at a bar by the stadium? No, there aren't any. How about a restaurant? No, there aren't any. Maybe I'll do some shopping. No, there isn't any.

Instead, you can either go home for thirty minutes, get back in your car and drive to Raytown and then go right back home or drive twenty more minutes to a bar to post game, or you can go out for drinks, then drive half drunk to the game, have more drinks, drive completely drunk for twenty more minutes to another bar to post game, and then get a DUI on the way home.

Look, I love Royals games. They are boring as ****, though. There is a reason people love going to Cubs games, and it's not because they win. It's because you pre game at Captain Morgan's and postgame at Cubby Bear.

Chicago has like 9 million people, and can't you take the train to Wrigley? There's no train in KC, you'd still have to drive eventually. I don't even know if the downtown KC area would turn into some party zone. It's not that huge of a commercial district as far as I can tell. I worked down there. I've been to downtown stadiums.
I also used to work downtown Houston and so did my wife. You could see Minute Maid from her office. Still, we had a kid, so we just got out of downtown anyway. He was in daycare across town.
And if we wanted to go get our kid and drive back downtown? Forget it. Parking was $20, unless you wanted to take your chances and cruise around for 25 minutes.
I like downtown stadiums, but I just don't think a downtown KC stadium would turn downtown into some party zone.
As far as getting a DUI on the way home- that would be the same with a downtown stadium. People would still be driving back to Johnson County or wherever. And most employers probably wouldn't let you leave your car in their parking lot until 10:30 PM anyway.