KK wrong about success of ASG

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

So the tailgating only counts if it is the same people doing it everyday?



So either way you have to call your client and DRIVE to the game. If you absolutely must go to a bar get something at the stadium. If you are more concerned with getting drinks, then go to a bar at P&L and watch the game on a TV.

Here's a typical conversation between Mr. Tegu and his friends at around 2:30 on a Thursday.

Hey Tegu, we're thinking about heading over to the Royals game after work. You in?

Of course. Want to get a bite to eat before the game?

Yeah, we'll just eat in the parking lot. Do you have your Weber and a bag of Kingsford in your trunk?

Always. You brought a cooler full of meat like you do every day just in case we decided to go to a game, right.

You know it.



That makes much more sense than:


Hey Saul, want to hit the game after work?

Sure, what time?

We're going to meet up at J Bucks and head over to the stadium around 6:30.

Perfect. I get off at 4:30. I'm going to run over to Band Box to drop off my dry cleaning, and I'll meet you at 5.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Here's a typical conversation between Mr. Tegu and his friends at around 2:30 on a Thursday.

Hey Tegu, we're thinking about heading over to the Royals game after work. You in?

Of course. Want to get a bite to eat before the game?

Yeah, we'll just eat in the parking lot. Do you have your Weber and a bag of Kingsford in your trunk?

Always. You brought a cooler full of meat like you do every day just in case we decided to go to a game, right.

You know it.



That makes much more sense than:


Hey Saul, want to hit the game after work?

Sure, what time?

We're going to meet up at J Bucks and head over to the stadium around 6:30.

Perfect. I get off at 4:30. I'm going to run over to Band Box to drop off my dry cleaning, and I'll meet you at 5.

This is just stupid. If I don't work or live downtown, and I don't, (assuming a downtown stadium exists) this has absolutely no relevance to me or the majority of the population in any way. If I want to grill I can pick something up from my house or just buy food on the way, because either way I am still driving to the stadium, regardless of where it is.

Like I said, I see the advantages a downtown stadium has, but I also see the advantages of the K. The bottom line is that in our city as it is, the majority of people going to a Royals game have to drive there no matter where it is at.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

This is just stupid. If I don't work or live downtown, and I don't, (assuming a downtown stadium exists) this has absolutely no relevance to me or the majority of the population in any way. If I want to grill I can pick something up from my house or just buy food on the way, because either way I am still driving to the stadium, regardless of where it is.

Like I said, I see the advantages a downtown stadium has, but I also see the advantages of the K. The bottom line is that in our city as it is, the majority of people going to a Royals game have to drive there no matter where it is at.

If you don't work downtown, you could still meet up for dinner at a restaurant next to the stadium. That's a lot better than stopping at hen house and buying cold cuts so that you can make sandwiches in the parking lot and call it tailgating.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

If you don't work downtown, you could still meet up for dinner at a restaurant next to the stadium. That's a lot better than stopping at hen house and buying cold cuts so that you can make sandwiches in the parking lot and call it tailgating.

Of course I could but that isn't what you said. You made it sound like we were all just getting off work and could step out of the office be there. Is it really that big of a deal to go to a restaraunt and then drive to the game? But the point remains that the vast majority of people that go to a Royals game, wherever the stadium is located, get there by driving. I don't think people in KC consider driving to places to be much of an inconvenience.

I can't help but notice you have begun arguing with yourself. Earlier you were saying the stadium would get more money because if it were downtown more people would come and spend more money on food and beverages in the stadium. But now you are saying people are going to go to the bar/restaraunts before and after the game if it were primely located, thus removing a significant amount of business from the vendors in the stadium.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

Of course I could but that isn't what you said. You made it sound like we were all just getting off work and could step out of the office be there. Is it really that big of a deal to go to a restaraunt and then drive to the game? But the point remains that the vast majority of people that go to a Royals game, wherever the stadium is located, get there by driving. I don't think people in KC consider driving to places to be much of an inconvenience.

I can't help but notice you have begun arguing with yourself. Earlier you were saying the stadium would get more money because if it were downtown more people would come and spend more money on food and beverages in the stadium. But now you are saying people are going to go to the bar/restaraunts before and after the game if it were primely located, thus removing a significant amount of business from the vendors in the stadium.

I said that the the team would make more money. If more people attend games, that seems pretty reasonable. The local economy would also prosper by having people spend money around the stadium rather than eating at the 810 zone, driving straight to the stadium, and driving home.

Tailgating, fun though it may be, provides little to no economic benefit to the team nor to the local economy.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

I said that the the team would make more money. If more people attend games, that seems pretty reasonable. The local economy would also prosper by having people spend money around the stadium rather than eating at the 810 zone, driving straight to the stadium, and driving home.

Tailgating, fun though it may be, provides little to no economic benefit to the team nor to the local economy.

But if people are not purchasing from inside the stadium AND they aren't paying the stadium for parking it sounds like it would result in a loss of income for the team. I am not saying that it is bad for the team to lose money or that it is bad for the local economy to gain money, just saying I don't really see an increase for the team.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

But if people are not purchasing from inside the stadium AND they aren't paying the stadium for parking it sounds like it would result in a loss of income for the team. I am not saying that it is bad for the team to lose money or that it is bad for the local economy to gain money, just saying I don't really see an increase for the team.

WTF? They buy tickets to the games, and they buy the same concessions that the tailgaters buy once inside.

[blaise]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

I said that the the team would make more money. If more people attend games, that seems pretty reasonable. The local economy would also prosper by having people spend money around the stadium rather than eating at the 810 zone, driving straight to the stadium, and driving home.

Tailgating, fun though it may be, provides little to no economic benefit to the team nor to the local economy.

I don't think having the stadium downtown really means more people will go. Winning games makes people go. When the Orioles won, people went to the games. When they didn't, they didn't. Same for Houston. Both downtown stadiums. People fill Yankee stadium and there's nothing there, not unless you think the Bronx is fun.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by blaise

I don't think having the stadium downtown really means more people will go. Winning games makes people go. When the Orioles won, people went to the games. When they didn't, they didn't. Same for Houston. Both downtown stadiums. People fill Yankee stadium and there's nothing there, not unless you think the Bronx is fun.

All things being equal, a downtown stadium improves attendance and does more for the local economy. Of course winning matters. The weather matters, too. Neither are part of this particular discussion, however.

The Cubs have the second worst record in baseball, but they are going to have 1.2 million fans walk through their turnstiles than their first-place citymates who play in the Chicago equivalent of Raytown.

[Raiderhater]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

I said that the the team would make more money. If more people attend games, that seems pretty reasonable. The local economy would also prosper by having people spend money around the stadium rather than eating at the 810 zone, driving straight to the stadium, and driving home.

Tailgating, fun though it may be, provides little to no economic benefit to the team nor to the local economy.

Yeah, because we all go buy our groceries down in Texas and then bring them to the stadium. There is nothing local about tailgating. Nothing at all.