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Old 07-13-2012, 07:25 PM   #1
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No, you get that young QB immediately, and let him sit behind Cassel for a few years.

Then he's ready to go when Cassel shits the bed - like now.

Instead, we have three Top-11 picks on our D-line.
Technically they did do that with Stanzi?


But I get what you are saying. That's more what I meant was the mistake.


Bringing in Cassel, while now we he sucks, wasn't the big problem. He did an alright job moving the ship forward while things were being figured out.


Seeing that he isn't the franchise guy and having a young guy ready to role is the problem. We haven't exactly had a prime spot to draft a young qb early either. The years we suck bad enough to be that high, none there or they are gone.


I don't put the Dorsey pick on this regime, but the other two for sure better stepup the play.
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Technically they did do that with Stanzi?
Betting on a 7th round pick and then on a 5th round pick to take you to the Super Bowl.

Those are some low odds.
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Old 07-13-2012, 07:32 PM   #3
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Betting on a 7th round pick and then on a 5th round pick to take you to the Super Bowl.

Those are some low odds.
Not if you know talent like Scott Pioli.
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Old 07-13-2012, 07:34 PM   #4
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Not if you know talent like Scott Pioli.


They fell ass-backwards into the only decent QB they've (BB/Pioli) ever drafted.

Hell, Pioli didn't even want to draft Brady. He wanted Tim Rattay.
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Old 07-13-2012, 07:35 PM   #5
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They fell ass-backwards into the only decent QB they've (BB/Pioli) ever drafted.

Hell, Pioli didn't even want to draft Brady. He wanted Tim Rattay.
Sarcastically speaking.
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Betting on a 7th round pick and then on a 5th round pick to take you to the Super Bowl.

Those are some low odds.
It's a process.
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Technically they did do that with Stanzi?


But I get what you are saying. That's more what I meant was the mistake.


Bringing in Cassel, while now we he sucks, wasn't the big problem. He did an alright job moving the ship forward while things were being figured out.


Seeing that he isn't the franchise guy and having a young guy ready to role is the problem. We haven't exactly had a prime spot to draft a young qb early either. The years we suck bad enough to be that high, none there or they are gone.


I don't put the Dorsey pick on this regime, but the other two for sure better stepup the play.
Enough with this Stanzi bullshit.

And enough with the excuses. We've had three Top-11 picks in the 4 drafts under Pioli. We've had the currency, and apparently have been unwilling to use it. People can ridicule Washington all they want, but they have a legit franchise-type guy. They are at least trying.

Go out and get a real QB.
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Enough with this Stanzi bullshit.

And enough with the excuses. We've had three Top-11 picks in the 4 drafts under Pioli. We've had the currency, and apparently have been unwilling to use it. People can ridicule Washington all they want, but they have a legit franchise-type guy. They are at least trying.

Go out and get a real QB.
Again, I'm fine with that. Shit I was advocating trading 4 first rounders for Luck.


With those 3 picks, where is your qb? You wanna bitch about not getting one, there hasn't been one there to get.
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Old 07-13-2012, 07:37 PM   #9
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Again, I'm fine with that. Shit I was advocating trading 4 first rounders for Luck.


With those 3 picks, where is your qb? You wanna bitch about not getting one, there hasn't been one there to get.
Then where did these other teams all get their QB's?

You have to be willing to move up, or take a risk with a guy.

We've done neither.
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Then where did these other teams all get their QB's?

You have to be willing to move up, or take a risk with a guy.

We've done neither.
I get moving up, but what guy has been there to take a risk with?


Andy Dalton? Jimmy Clausen?




IMO, hindsight 50 50, I would have made a huge effort to go get Cam. I think if I were building a team right now, he's my starting piece. I think he has a chance to be a top 3 qb in the league in the next 3 years.


I've been advocating move up more than anyone. Say you give up those picks and move up for the right guy, he's worth more than you would get out of thos picks anyway.
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I get moving up, but what guy has been there to take a risk with?


Andy Dalton? Jimmy Clausen?




IMO, hindsight 50 50, I would have made a huge effort to go get Cam. I think if I were building a team right now, he's my starting piece. I think he has a chance to be a top 3 qb in the league in the next 3 years.


I've been advocating move up more than anyone. Say you give up those picks and move up for the right guy, he's worth more than you would get out of thos picks anyway.
Stafford was un-gettable, but we could have jumped ATL for Ryan. Hell, for the right offer, we could have traded with ATL - they wanted Dorsey.

Freeman would have been seen as a risk at the time, but worth it if the plan is to sit him for 2 years.

You know where I stand on Sanchez.

Hell, I really wanted no part of Tannehill as a prospect, but I would have respected the fact that they recognized the importance of the position and tried to get a guy.

You have no shot at any of those guys of you're unwilling to try. And let's face it - they're unwilling to try because they think they have their guy and are the smartest guys in the league.
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Stafford was un-gettable, but we could have jumped ATL for Ryan. Hell, for the right offer, we could have traded with ATL - they wanted Dorsey.

Freeman would have been seen as a risk at the time, but worth it if the plan is to sit him for 2 years.

You know where I stand on Sanchez.

Hell, I really wanted no part of Tannehill as a prospect, but I would have respected the fact that they recognized the importance of the position and tried to get a guy.

You have no shot at any of those guys of you're unwilling to try. And let's face it - they're unwilling to try because they think they have their guy and are the smartest guys in the league.
Would have loved to have Ryan, as I think he gets over the hump soon, although they are getting a little old skill wise in ATL.

I'm not sold on Freeman at all.



But I agree with what you are saying, but I can see where they are coming from in that the "guy" they see as being the "guy" hasn't been available when they pick.

Thats where they lose me. I don't really agree with their view of the "guy".
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Enough with this Stanzi bullshit.

And enough with the excuses. We've had three Top-11 picks in the 4 drafts under Pioli. We've had the currency, and apparently have been unwilling to use it. People can ridicule Washington all they want, but they have a legit franchise-type guy. They are at least trying.

Go out and get a real QB.
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Year No. Round Pick Player Name Team College

2012 1 1 1 1 Andrew Luck Colts Stanford
2 1 2 2 Robert Griffin III Redskins Baylor
3 1 8 8 Ryan Tannehill Dolphins Texas A&M
4 1 22 22 Brandon Weeden Browns Oklahoma State
5 2 25 57 Brock Osweiler Broncos Arizona State
6 3 12 75 Russell Wilson Seahawks Wisconsin
7 3 25 88 Nick Foles Eagles Arizona
8 4 7 102 Kirk Cousins Redskins Michigan State
9 6 15 185 Ryan Lindley Cardinals San Diego State
10 7 36 243 B.J. Coleman Packers Tennessee-Chattanooga
11 7 46 253 Chandler Harnish Colts Northern Illinois

2011s 1 3 0 0 Terrelle Prior Raiders Ohio State

2011 1 1 1 1 Cam Newton Panthers Auburn
2 1 8 8 Jake Locker Titans Washington
3 1 10 10 Blaine Gabbert Jaguars Missouri
4 1 12 12 Christian Ponder Vikings Florida State
5 2 3 35 Andy Dalton Bengals Texas Christian
6 2 4 36 Colin Kaepernick 49ers Nevada
7 3 10 74 Ryan Mallett Patriots Arkansas
8 5 4 135 Ricky Stanzi Chiefs Iowa
9 5 21 152 T.J. Yates Texans North Carolina
10 5 29 160 Nathan Enderle Bears Idaho
11 6 15 180 Tyrod Taylor Ravens Virginia Tech
12 7 5 208 Greg McElroy Jets Alabama

2010 1 1 1 1 Sam Bradford Rams Oklahoma
2 1 25 25 Tim Tebow Broncos Florida
3 2 16 48 Jimmy Clausen Panthers Notre Dame
4 3 21 85 Colt McCoy Browns Texas
5 4 24 122 Mike Kafka Eagles Northwestern
6 5 24 155 John Skelton Cardinals Fordham
7 5 37 168 Jonathan Crompton Chargers Tennessee
8 6 7 176 Rusty Smith Titans Florida Atlantic
9 6 12 181 Dan LeFevour Bears Central Michigan
10 6 30 199 Joe Webb Vikings Alabama-Birmingham
11 6 35 204 Tony Pike Panthers Cincinnati
12 7 2 209 Levi Brown Bills Troy
13 7 32 239 Sean Canfield Saints Oregon State
14 7 43 250 Zac Robinson Patriots Oklahoma State

2009 1 1 1 1 Matthew Stafford Lions Georgia
2 1 5 5 Mark Sanchez Jets USC
3 1 17 17 Josh Freeman Buccaneers Kansas State
4 2 12 44 Pat White Dolphins West Virginia
5 4 1 101 Stephen McGee Cowboys Texas A&M
6 5 15 151 Rhett Bomar Giants Sam Houston State
7 5 35 171 Nate Davis 49ers Ball State
8 6 1 174 Tom Brandstater Broncos Fresno State
9 6 5 178 Mike Teel Seahawks Rutgers
10 6 23 196 Keith Null Rams West Texas A&M
11 6 28 201 Curtis Painter Colts Purdue
12 7 23 232 Julian Edelman Patriots Kent State
They didn't have a shot at any of the QBs that went #1 overall, and they didn't have the firepower to outbid Washington for RGIII, so which franchise QBs did they have a legitimate chance to get?
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They didn't have a shot at any of the QBs that went #1 overall, and they didn't have the firepower to outbid Washington for RGIII, so which franchise QBs did they have a legitimate chance to get?
Had we drafted Josh Freeman, who is more talented than Cassel and younger, we would at least be sitting here with the future of the regime in the balance, wondering if the quarterback would fulfill his potential.

Instead we're sitting here hoping for Cassel to get benched so a 5th round pick can save the day.

And IMO, Freeman would have kicked ass here with the talent we have over Tampa Bay.
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Had we drafted Josh Freeman, who is more talented than Cassel and younger, we would at least be sitting here with the future of the regime in the balance, wondering if the quarterback would fulfill his potential.

Instead we're sitting here hoping for Cassel to get benched so a 5th round pick can save the day.
Even for you, this is weak sauce.


Try again.
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