Richardson, Albert, Winston in PFF OT ratings today

[Hammock Parties]

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog...nsive-tackles/

Today I’ll be looking at offensive tackles and tomorrow I’ll move onto guards, before finishing with centers, tight ends, and running backs in the days that follow.

How I’ll be doing that is pretty simple: three years of data from our Pass Blocking Efficiency numbers–a stat of ours that shows which players are giving up the most (and least) pressure relative to how much they’re on the field in pass-blocking situations, factoring in the nature of the pressure as well.

It works itself out by first adding sacks to three quarters the value of the total number of hits and hurries then dividing that result by the player’s pass-blocking snaps. Multiply by 100 and subtract that from 100 and you have the PBE. The closer the final result is to 100 the better.

Cliffs:

Richardson the 6th worst OT over 3 years.

Winston the 8th best. Albert 12th, with precious few left tackles ahead of him.

[Ceej]

Originally Posted by Brock

You're talking out your ass.

SSDD with this guy.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by aturnis

Pioli forced Cassel on Haley.

Pioli forced Weis on Haley.

Why should Haley have tried to "get along" with Weis? Haley took a job where he was told he'd have control of his own staff. Then, not only does Pioli go back on that word, but he hires a guy Haley wanted NOTHING to do with.

Not only did Pioli force a OC on Haley, but then Weis washed his hands of Cassel, Haley took over, Cassel looked good, and Weis got the credit, when all he did was call plays.

If you say you'd not only LOVE taking a job on account that you'd hire your own staff, then have the exact guys you don't want pushed upon you you are a liar.

Given that it was Hunt trying to keep the old OC in place from the beginning, Haley had to have known the deal from the start. Blaming Pioli is stupid.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by aturnis

How do you figure? Not only do you have a guy with inside information giving facts, you have a guy who spent a good portion of the season inside the organization for a book he wrote saying many of the same things. Also, his appearance on television, which Haley all but came out and told his story, with all the host panel sympathizing with him and acting as though they had a good idea what he went through.

You guys are biased idiots who have nothing but whining and assumptions to add to the discussion.

Who is this guy with inside information you say is giving facts? Also, what am I biased and whining about?

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by Just Passin' By

Given that it was Hunt trying to keep the old OC in place from the beginning, Haley had to have known the deal from the start. Blaming Pioli is stupid.

Hunt strongly urged Haley to work with Gailey, Haley gave it a shot and decided that not installing the new offense now b/c of the personnel would only set the team back in the long gone run.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by Brock

Who is this guy with inside information you say is giving facts? Also, what am I biased and whining about?

Charles Robinson or whatever his name was.

[Just Passin' By]

Originally Posted by aturnis

Hunt strongly urged Haley to work with Gailey, Haley gave it a shot and decided that not installing the new offense now b/c of the personnel would only set the team back in the long gone run.

As I said, Haley knew the drill. Pretending it's Pioli forcing things on Haley is just stupid.

[O.city]

Back to the topic at hand, what other spots on the oline do we need to be thinking about?


With Allen likely slated at LG, it seems like it's just backup spots that need filled?

[Mr. Laz]

Originally Posted by aturnis

How do you figure? Not only do you have a guy with inside information giving facts, you have a guy who spent a good portion of the season inside the organization for a book he wrote saying many of the same things. Also, his appearance on television, which Haley all but came out and told his story, with all the host panel sympathizing with him and acting as though they had a good idea what he went through.

You guys are biased idiots who have nothing but whining and assumptions to add to the discussion.

says the guy with NOTHING BUT ASSUMPTIONS

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Laz

says the guy with NOTHING BUT ASSUMPTIONS

Everyone wants to assign blame to the guy they don't like.

It's Pioli.
It's Haley.
It's Weis.
It's Hunt.

The reality is that there's some truth to all of it.

It was, simply stated, a cluster****.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

KC better make Moeaki the highest paid TE in the league because he was the only "weapon" they added on offense. IF Moeaki is the difference between a QB having going from a 1:2 to a 3:1 TD to INT ratio, they better pay the man now.

Since the one area that Cassel doesn't totally suck is the intermediate pass across the middle, there's more truth to that than you think.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by milkman

Everyone wants to assign blame to the guy they don't like.

It's Pioli.
It's Haley.
It's Weis.
It's Hunt.

The reality is that there's some truth to all of it.

It was, simply stated, a cluster****.

Carl Peterson doomed this team long before any of those names became associated with the Chiefs.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by milkman

Since the one area that Cassel doesn't totally suck is the intermediate pass across the middle, there's more truth to that than you think.

I credit Cassel for throwing so few INT's and I credit Bowe for his YAC/TD works that 2011 season. It wasn't just the crossing/middle routes though, the offense worked the flats also. Excuse the jumbled look, but take a look at some of the games where the offense won with an air attack -- many TD's from outside the zone requiring YAC for the TD;

SFO KAN
2nd Chiefs Dexter McCluster 31 yard pass from Matt Cassel (Ryan Succop kick) 0 7
49ers Joe Nedney 51 yard field goal 3 7
Chiefs Ryan Succop 32 yard field goal 3 10
3rd Chiefs Dwayne Bowe 45 yard pass from Matt Cassel (Ryan Succop kick) 3 17
Chiefs Tony Moeaki 18 yard pass from Matt Cassel (Ryan Succop kick) 3 24
4th Chiefs Thomas Jones 3 yard rush (Ryan Succop kick) 3 31
49ers Josh Morgan 12 yard pass from Alex Smith (Joe Nedney kick)



KAN SEA
1st Chiefs Dwayne Bowe 7 yard pass from Matt Cassel (Ryan Succop kick) 7 0
Seahawks Kennard Cox 10 yard blocked punt return (Olindo Mare kick) 7 7
2nd Chiefs Shaun Smith 1 yard rush (Ryan Succop kick) 14 7
Chiefs Dwayne Bowe 36 yard pass from Matt Cassel (Ryan Succop kick) 21 7
Seahawks Olindo Mare 43 yard field goal 21 10
3rd Seahawks Chris Baker 13 yard pass from Matt Hasselbeck (Olindo Mare kick) 21 17
4th Chiefs Jamaal Charles 3 yard rush (Ryan Succop kick) 28 17
Chiefs Dwayne Bowe 9 yard pass from Matt Cassel (Ryan Succop kick) 35 17
Seahawks Ben Obomanu 87 yard pass from Matt Hasselbeck (Olindo Mare kick) 35 24
Chiefs Tony Moeaki 6 yard pass from Matt Cassel (Ryan Succop kick) 42 24



TEN KAN
1st Chiefs Jamaal Charles 14 yard pass from Matt Cassel (Ryan Succop kick) 0 7
Chiefs Jamaal Charles 5 yard pass from Matt Cassel (Ryan Succop kick) 0 14
2nd Chiefs Ryan Succop 35 yard field goal 0 17
Chiefs Dwayne Bowe 75 yard pass from Matt Cassel (Ryan Succop kick) 0 24
Titans Kenny Britt 53 yard pass from Kerry Collins (Rob Bironas kick) 7 24
Chiefs Eric Berry 54 yard interception return (Ryan Succop kick) 7 31
3rd Chiefs Ryan Succop 42 yard field goal 7 34
Titans Jared Cook 22 yard pass from Kerry Collins (Rob Bironas kick) 14 34

[chiefzilla1501]

I'd be curious to see what this information looks like with Orton vs. without Orton. The pass protection obviously improved by leaps and bounds.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by chiefsfootballfan

I credit Cassel for throwing so few INT's and I credit Bowe for his YAC/TD works that 2011 season. It wasn't just the crossing/middle routes though, the offense worked the flats also. Excuse the jumbled look, but take a look at some of the games where the offense won with an air attack -- many TD's from outside the zone requiring YAC for the TD;

SFO KAN
2nd Chiefs Dexter McCluster 31 yard pass from Matt Cassel (Ryan Succop kick) 0 7
49ers Joe Nedney 51 yard field goal 3 7
Chiefs Ryan Succop 32 yard field goal 3 10
3rd Chiefs Dwayne Bowe 45 yard pass from Matt Cassel (Ryan Succop kick) 3 17
Chiefs Tony Moeaki 18 yard pass from Matt Cassel (Ryan Succop kick) 3 24
4th Chiefs Thomas Jones 3 yard rush (Ryan Succop kick) 3 31
49ers Josh Morgan 12 yard pass from Alex Smith (Joe Nedney kick)



KAN SEA
1st Chiefs Dwayne Bowe 7 yard pass from Matt Cassel (Ryan Succop kick) 7 0
Seahawks Kennard Cox 10 yard blocked punt return (Olindo Mare kick) 7 7
2nd Chiefs Shaun Smith 1 yard rush (Ryan Succop kick) 14 7
Chiefs Dwayne Bowe 36 yard pass from Matt Cassel (Ryan Succop kick) 21 7
Seahawks Olindo Mare 43 yard field goal 21 10
3rd Seahawks Chris Baker 13 yard pass from Matt Hasselbeck (Olindo Mare kick) 21 17
4th Chiefs Jamaal Charles 3 yard rush (Ryan Succop kick) 28 17
Chiefs Dwayne Bowe 9 yard pass from Matt Cassel (Ryan Succop kick) 35 17
Seahawks Ben Obomanu 87 yard pass from Matt Hasselbeck (Olindo Mare kick) 35 24
Chiefs Tony Moeaki 6 yard pass from Matt Cassel (Ryan Succop kick) 42 24



TEN KAN
1st Chiefs Jamaal Charles 14 yard pass from Matt Cassel (Ryan Succop kick) 0 7
Chiefs Jamaal Charles 5 yard pass from Matt Cassel (Ryan Succop kick) 0 14
2nd Chiefs Ryan Succop 35 yard field goal 0 17
Chiefs Dwayne Bowe 75 yard pass from Matt Cassel (Ryan Succop kick) 0 24
Titans Kenny Britt 53 yard pass from Kerry Collins (Rob Bironas kick) 7 24
Chiefs Eric Berry 54 yard interception return (Ryan Succop kick) 7 31
3rd Chiefs Ryan Succop 42 yard field goal 7 34
Titans Jared Cook 22 yard pass from Kerry Collins (Rob Bironas kick) 14 34

Those are just numbers.

They don't show anything.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by chiefsfootballfan

I credit Cassel for throwing so few INT's and I credit Bowe for his YAC/TD works that 2011 season. It wasn't just the crossing/middle routes though, the offense worked the flats also. Excuse the jumbled look, but take a look at some of the games where the offense won with an air attack -- many TD's from outside the zone requiring YAC for the TD;

SFO KAN
2nd Chiefs Dexter McCluster 31 yard pass from Matt Cassel (Ryan Succop kick) 0 7
49ers Joe Nedney 51 yard field goal 3 7
Chiefs Ryan Succop 32 yard field goal 3 10
3rd Chiefs Dwayne Bowe 45 yard pass from Matt Cassel (Ryan Succop kick) 3 17
Chiefs Tony Moeaki 18 yard pass from Matt Cassel (Ryan Succop kick) 3 24
4th Chiefs Thomas Jones 3 yard rush (Ryan Succop kick) 3 31
49ers Josh Morgan 12 yard pass from Alex Smith (Joe Nedney kick)



KAN SEA
1st Chiefs Dwayne Bowe 7 yard pass from Matt Cassel (Ryan Succop kick) 7 0
Seahawks Kennard Cox 10 yard blocked punt return (Olindo Mare kick) 7 7
2nd Chiefs Shaun Smith 1 yard rush (Ryan Succop kick) 14 7
Chiefs Dwayne Bowe 36 yard pass from Matt Cassel (Ryan Succop kick) 21 7
Seahawks Olindo Mare 43 yard field goal 21 10
3rd Seahawks Chris Baker 13 yard pass from Matt Hasselbeck (Olindo Mare kick) 21 17
4th Chiefs Jamaal Charles 3 yard rush (Ryan Succop kick) 28 17
Chiefs Dwayne Bowe 9 yard pass from Matt Cassel (Ryan Succop kick) 35 17
Seahawks Ben Obomanu 87 yard pass from Matt Hasselbeck (Olindo Mare kick) 35 24
Chiefs Tony Moeaki 6 yard pass from Matt Cassel (Ryan Succop kick) 42 24



TEN KAN
1st Chiefs Jamaal Charles 14 yard pass from Matt Cassel (Ryan Succop kick) 0 7
Chiefs Jamaal Charles 5 yard pass from Matt Cassel (Ryan Succop kick) 0 14
2nd Chiefs Ryan Succop 35 yard field goal 0 17
Chiefs Dwayne Bowe 75 yard pass from Matt Cassel (Ryan Succop kick) 0 24
Titans Kenny Britt 53 yard pass from Kerry Collins (Rob Bironas kick) 7 24
Chiefs Eric Berry 54 yard interception return (Ryan Succop kick) 7 31
3rd Chiefs Ryan Succop 42 yard field goal 7 34
Titans Jared Cook 22 yard pass from Kerry Collins (Rob Bironas kick) 14 34

Consider the defense they're playing. And consider those games and how many guys they were stacking in the box to stop Charles. Cassel isn't good in the flats. He struggles to throw outside because he has neither the arm strength or accuracy. If by "flats" you mean "quick Wide Receiver screen" even I can do that. And even in those cases, you saw too many instances of Cassel firing a bullet into McCluster's helmet.

What you're trying to say is that when Cassel's primary read gets open, he's not half bad. But if you force him to throw into tight windows and to go through his progressions, he's not. He benefits from teams stacking 8 guys in a box to stop Charles, forcing one-on-ones with Bowe with a lot of space to run through. You can't have a QB whose success is that reliant on the people around him. Given how dominant Charles was, there are a ton of quality NFL QBs who would have excelled if their only charge was to "not make mistakes." QBs who don't take chances don't make mistakes.