Does anything less than a playoff appearance = Bye Bye Pioli?

[Canofbier]

We were technically last place last year, but it's not nearly the same magnitude of "last place" as the first time. We were as close as making one of two blocked field goals in that horrible game against the Raiders to winning the division for a second consecutive year.

Our team may not be a perennial contender yet, but you can see the progress. Our team was pretty awful when he came aboard, and talent and depth at every position has improved since he arrived (even at QB, arguably). He demonstrated this offseason that he's able to land top-flight free agents (Winston).

Obviously, he's made some mistakes (Cassel's massive contract being the one that stands out the most), but who would we hire when he's gone who would do better? Last year was almost undoubtedly a playoff year before the injuries (and almost was despite them). I expect the Chiefs to do better this year, but suppose they finish 10-6 and miss the playoffs? That's certainly possible, but it's not worth firing Pioli over. If we lay down a massive turd of a season (say, 4-12 or something), then there's more reason to fire him.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Canofbier

Our team was pretty awful when he came aboard, and talent and depth at every position has improved since he arrived (even at QB, arguably).

People seem to forget this too often.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Canofbier

We were technically last place last year, but it's not nearly the same magnitude of "last place" as the first time. We were as close as making one of two blocked field goals in that horrible game against the Raiders to winning the division for a second consecutive year.

Our team may not be a perennial contender yet, but you can see the progress. Our team was pretty awful when he came aboard, and talent and depth at every position has improved since he arrived (even at QB, arguably). He demonstrated this offseason that he's able to land top-flight free agents (Winston).

Obviously, he's made some mistakes (Cassel's massive contract being the one that stands out the most), but who would we hire when he's gone who would do better? Last year was almost undoubtedly a playoff year before the injuries (and almost was despite them). I expect the Chiefs to do better this year, but suppose they finish 10-6 and miss the playoffs? That's certainly possible, but it's not worth firing Pioli over. If we lay down a massive turd of a season (say, 4-12 or something), then there's more reason to fire him.

Pioli has taken on a rebuilding project that involves doing it the old fashioned way.

Through the draft.

That takes time.

The problem, aside from the most obvious, is that the foundation of that project was drafted by the previous regime.

We've already lost one piece of that foundation in Carr, and Bowe might well be the next piece.

I still contend that his 2010 draft was not nearly the great draft that others seem to believe it to be.

Dexter McCluster is just a guy, and Javier Arenas is a great 4th round pick, that we took in the second round.

I also still contend that this team would be further along if Bill KuHarich had been promoted to the GM spot, and Herman ****ing Edwards had been replaced with Ron Rivera, who I wanted the most at that time, or Jim Swartz.

Of course, that would not have happened, given Clark Hunt's affinity for Herman ****ing Edwards.

So at the end of the day, the man most responsible for all this shit is Hunt, as has been the case for the last 40 years.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by milkman

Pioli has taken on a rebuilding project that involves doing it the old fashioned way.

Through the draft.

That takes time.

The problem, aside from the most obvious, is that the foundation of that project was drafted by the previous regime.

We've already lost one piece of that foundation in Carr, and Bowe might well be the next piece.

I still contend that his 2010 draft was not nearly the great draft that others seem to believe it to be.

Dexter McCluster is just a guy, and Javier Arenas is a great 4th round pick, that we took in the second round.

I also still contend that this team would be further along if Bill KuHarich had been promoted to the GM spot, and Herman ****ing Edwards had been replaced with Ron Rivera, who I wanted the most at that time, or Jim Swartz.

Of course, that would not have happened, given Clark Hunt's affinity for Herman ****ing Edwards.

So at the end of the day, the man most responsible for all this shit is Hunt, as has been the case for the last 40 years.

Would you fire Pioli and lure a guy like Andy Reid who will be fired after this year?

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

Would you fire Pioli and lure a guy like Andy Reid who will be fired after this year?

No.

I've always felt that Reid was overrated, and that Jimmy Johnson was the biggest reason for Reid's success.

My first choice today, as it was when Carl was fired, would be to lure Eric DeCosta to KC.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by milkman

My first choice today, as it was when Carl was fired, would be to lure Eric DeCosta to KC.

I wonder how different our roster would be today with DeCosta and Rex Ryan running the show. Or DeCosta and Jim Schwartz.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

I wonder how different our roster would be today with DeCosta and Rex Ryan running the show. Or DeCosta and Jim Schwartz.

Don't really like the idea of Rex Ryan as coach.

Overall, I like the approach that Pioli, and Martin Mayhew, have taken in building.

The difference is that Mayhew had less to start with, but he drafted Matt Stafford and hired Swartz, so the Lions, who were worse than the Chiefs at the time Pioli and Mayhew took over their respective teams, are well ahead of the Chiefs.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by milkman

Don't really like the idea of Rex Ryan as coach.

Overall, I like the approach that Pioli, and Martin Mayhew, have taken in building.

The difference is that Mayhew had less to start with, but he drafted Matt Stafford and hired Swartz, so the Lions, who were worse than the Chiefs at the time Pioli and Mayhew took over their respective teams, are well ahead of the Chiefs.

I remember when I said this back in 2010, and was laughed at.

[philfree]

Originally Posted by milkman

Don't really like the idea of Rex Ryan as coach.

Overall, I like the approach that Pioli, and Martin Mayhew, have taken in building.

The difference is that Mayhew had less to start with, but he drafted Matt Stafford and hired Swartz, so the Lions, who were worse than the Chiefs at the time Pioli and Mayhew took over their respective teams, are well ahead of the Chiefs.

I'm not saying One GM is better then the other but draft position is king when it comes to a rebuild like the Chiefs and Lions(They've been rebuilding forever.) have been going through. One or two spots toward the top of the draft can make a huge difference. We had no chance at Stafford or any other legit QB prospect where we've picked at the top of the draft.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by milkman

Don't really like the idea of Rex Ryan as coach.

Overall, I like the approach that Pioli, and Martin Mayhew, have taken in building.

The difference is that Mayhew had less to start with, but he drafted Matt Stafford and hired Swartz, so the Lions, who were worse than the Chiefs at the time Pioli and Mayhew took over their respective teams, are well ahead of the Chiefs.

I think the Lions were well ahead of the Chiefs in 2009 and still slightly ahead now, which means Pioli is gaining on Mayhew.

[LiveSteam]

Originally Posted by milkman

So at the end of the day, the man most responsible for all this shit is Hunt, as has been the case for the last 40 years.

[saphojunkie]

My question is, if Pioli gets rid of Cassel, then will you still hate him? If Romeo pulls Cassel after the bye week, and we draft a QB in the first round next year, someone like Tyler Bray or Logan Thomas, will you still hate Pioli?

Because he will have done what no Chiefs GM has done for thirty years.

[BoneKrusher]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

My question is, if Pioli gets rid of Cassel, then will you still hate him? If Romeo pulls Cassel after the bye week, and we draft a QB in the first round next year, someone like Tyler Bray or Logan Thomas, will you still hate Pioli?

Because he will have done what no Chiefs GM has done for thirty years.

the only things i dont like about the job Pioli's done in KC so far was trading for Cassel, Hiring Haley and bustin Bowes Balls.

if he gets rid of Cassel, i'll forgive him.

[Sannyasi]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

My question is, if Pioli gets rid of Cassel, then will you still hate him? If Romeo pulls Cassel after the bye week, and we draft a QB in the first round next year, someone like Tyler Bray or Logan Thomas, will you still hate Pioli?

Because he will have done what no Chiefs GM has done for thirty years.

It would eliminate my biggest complaint about Pioli's tenure, but I'd continue to wonder why it took him three years to figure out something that the rest of us knew in the beginning, in regards to Cassel's (in)ability at quarterback.