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Old 07-15-2012, 12:44 PM  
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Does anything less than a playoff appearance = Bye Bye Pioli?
This isn't a thread bashing Pioli it's simply to encourage discussion.

The Facts:

The Chiefs have finished in last place 2 out of the 3 seasons since Pioli took over.

The Chiefs have averaged 7 wins under the Pioli regime.

The 2009 draft= Fail

The Trade for Matt Cassel turns out it wasn't good.

Already fired one coach missing the playoffs this year with this squad would mean Crennel isn't that good of a coach.

So does anything less than a playoff appearance= failure? If so that would be 3 out of 4 years Pioli has failed. That gets you walking papers with most franchises.
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Old 07-15-2012, 05:43 PM   #91
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Old 07-15-2012, 05:43 PM   #92
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We had a chance at basically anybody.


If you have a guy you like, go get the guy. Trade picks.


A franchise qb is worth more, IMO, than a couple first round picks.
Yeah we could have went Ditka I guess.
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Old 07-15-2012, 06:01 PM   #93
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I'd like to see the real reports about that. I don't remember hearing that before but that doesn't mean it isn't true but I think Stafford was their guy all along. Hell they could have got Cassel for less then the Chiefs and then drafted Stafford too. From what I recall the Lions were not going to pass on Stafford at any point.
Whether or not the report is true, the fact is that Pioli, who had daily access to Cassel in his three years as a Patriot backup leaves Pioli with no excuse for that mistake.

He needed to do what ever was necessary to get after a franchise QB.

He went the safe route.
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Old 07-15-2012, 06:10 PM   #94
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Whether or not the report is true, the fact is that Pioli, who had daily access to Cassel in his three years as a Patriot backup leaves Pioli with no excuse for that mistake.

He needed to do what ever was necessary to get after a franchise QB.

He went the safe route.
We could have gotten Sanchex over Cassel but that was about it.

We could have tried to have gone Ditka for Stafford but the Lions would have probably said no thanks. They simply were not going to pass on the guy. So which franchise QB did we let slip away?
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Old 07-15-2012, 06:15 PM   #95
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We could have gotten Sanchex over Cassel but that was about it.

We could have tried to have gone Ditka for Stafford but the Lions would have probably said no thanks. They simply were not going to pass on the guy. So which franchise QB did we let slip away?
I've been down this road before.

I'm sick and tired of taking on someone else's retreads and castoffs.

You draft a guy out of college, whether it's Sanchez or Freeman, and you try to develop.

If that fails, you try again.
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I've been down this road before.

I'm sick and tired of taking on someone else's retreads and castoffs.

You draft a guy out of college, whether it's Sanchez or Freeman, and you try to develop.

If that fails, you try again.
I'm all for drafting a franchise QB if ones available. I don't think it's a good plan to throw 1st round picks against the wall over and over on suspect prospects though.
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I think Kevin Whaley former Pittsburgh guy now with Buffalo might be the ideal guy if Pioli fails this year.

Don't get me wrong I'm excited for this season but how the **** can anyone be surprised if we miss the playoffs with cassel daboll and crennel. This is what the greatest GM gets us?
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Old 07-15-2012, 07:44 PM   #99
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As much as I hate Casshole, Im almost paying more attention to the rookies and 2nd year guys to evaluate Pioli. If they all become productive and/or stars, then we have the foundation of a dynasty. Assuming we get a good QB, of course, and I dont think Pioli is as ready to go down with Cassel as many here think.
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Old 07-15-2012, 07:45 PM   #100
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I think Kevin Whaley former Pittsburgh guy now with Buffalo might be the ideal guy if Pioli fails this year.

Don't get me wrong I'm excited for this season but how the **** can anyone be surprised if we miss the playoffs with cassel daboll and crennel. This is what the greatest GM gets us?
At the end of the day, an OC is only as good as the talent he's given to work with.This is all on Pioli.
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Old 07-15-2012, 07:46 PM   #101
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I've been down this road before.

I'm sick and tired of taking on someone else's retreads and castoffs.

You draft a guy out of college, whether it's Sanchez or Freeman, and you try to develop.

If that fails, you try again.

Yep. That's where I fall. Draft, draft, draft until you find The Chosen One.
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At the end of the day, an OC is only as good as the talent he's given to work with.This is all on Pioli.
Pretty much.

Daboll doesnt have a good track record at all but it doesnt really matter if you have solid players that execute well.

Which we have, for the most part, save one position...
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Sanchez and Freeman would have failed miserably with the talent we had in 2009. I doubt they'd be much better than Cassel.

Pioli needs to be all in for a QB next April unless Cassel pulls a 2011 Alex Smith to justify him not doing it.
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Sanchez and Freeman would have failed miserably with the talent we had in 2009. I doubt they'd be much better than Cassel.

Pioli needs to be all in for a QB next April unless Cassel pulls a 2011 Alex Smith to justify him not doing it.
They probably would have failed but that's not the problem.


Say they failed then, now, when our window with the talent we have acquired is to open, we aren't having to groom a young quarterback or hope our manager doesn't **** it up.
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They probably would have failed but that's not the problem.


Say they failed then, now, when our window with the talent we have acquired is to open, we aren't having to groom a young quarterback or hope our manager doesn't **** it up.
I'm not worried about Pioli building the roster. He's done a great job. I have no worry off him replacing Bowe, Hali, DJ with good players via the draft or free agency.
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