***OFFICIAL 2012 KC Chiefs Training Camp Thread***

[Kylo Ren]

Discuss everything Chiefs / training camp related here......

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Mark Cassell sucks!

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by BlackBob

I think you should give the KCChiefsDraft.com guy a chance rather than just glancing at it. He is unbiased. He talked about every pass Stanzi makes. The good ones and the picks. He is more or less just documenting each day of training camp.

Like I said, he is shirt and just documents practice. I read every tweet. He is unbiased in his reporting, but when he gives his opinion, it's obvious he would rather see Quinn, and anyone who pimps Cassel "best QB in camp" has no credibility. Both Stanzi and Quinn are probably superior to him in term of the physical capabilities desired in a QB are concerned. The main difference with the perception is Cassel's unwillingness to take a shot downfield (b/c he's not physically capable) and the talent that surrounds him.

Get bent with those takes. I want to know who is PHYSICALLY capable and whether or not they're mentally capable.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by SNR

Or, you could do the sensible thing and apologize for being such a ****ing idiot.

That's what I'd do. He did put himself out there though, it's his lack of follow through that gets him here. Either own up to stupidity, or stick to it, don't try to change "what you meant"

[Black Bob]

Originally Posted by SNR

You said these things, yes?

Tell me what I'm taking out of context, then.

Or, you could do the sensible thing and apologize for being such a ****ing idiot.

You fail to recognize the other places where I stated Charles was clearly better etc. maybe I was just trying to find out who the assholes are around here slobber nut rugrat.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by durtyrute

I don't understand the hate that ****oe has for Stanzi.

Probably the same reason most do, he wasn't picked in the first round like Quinn.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by BlackBob

You fail to recognize the other places where I stated Charles was clearly better.

THAT'S NOT THE ****ING ISSUE, reerun

[Black Bob]

Originally Posted by aturnis

That's what I'd do. He did put himself out there though, it's his lack of follow through that gets him here. Either own up to stupidity, or stick to it, don't try to change "what you meant"

The whole argument is that they are different types of backs. That is all.

[Black Bob]

Originally Posted by SNR

THAT'S NOT THE ****ING ISSUE, reerun

What's the issue Stanzi Nub Rubber?

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by BlackBob

You fail to recognize the other places where I stated Charles was clearly better etc. maybe I was just trying to find out who the assholes are around here slobber nut rugrat.

I don't think he does. He's solely referring to the quickness claims. McCluster looks quick at times, b/c his tiny legs move fast, but he doesn't go as far. He definitely has the potential to be quick, but either his instincts, timing, reactions or thoughts process are slow b/c more often than not, by the time he makes his move, it's too late.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

i think part of the reason they signed Routt was because he was a cheaper option than Carr. Not because he was familiar with playing left or right in a defensive scheme he never played in before and is still learning/adjusting to.

Another reason was because he was recently cut, which means we'll get a compensatory pick for Carr even though we replaced him.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by O.city

One position I'm watching specifically is OLB behind HOuston and Hali.

Sheffield needs to keep getting better and this Jones is intriguing.

Jones' play in the preseason game was the only time I've seen the guy.

Color me impressed so far.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Way too many mults running around.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by PGM

Sheffield looked really good the other night.

I don't know about "really good," but he showed a very nice burst off the edge.

[Direckshun]

Originally Posted by BlackBob

I think you should give the KCChiefsDraft.com guy a chance rather than just glancing at it. He is unbiased. He talked about every pass Stanzi makes. The good ones and the picks. He is more or less just documenting each day of training camp.

I will say that few people have provided covereage as extensive as he has.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by aturnis

Nope. Read him, he doesn't know football well enough for me to care. He's good for a blurb here or there, and to tell me what happened, but not enough for me to trust his evaluation of players. There are very few quality evaluators out there. Some better than others. These guys who just report what's happening and who they believe looks good are trash. Not willing to put themselves out there for ridicule by actually assessing players and their technique or their play in different assignments of different defensive looks. Mostly, b/c they don't know anything about the defense, the players responsibility, or desired technique.

Good follows are @TheFilmRoom or @Jacobs71.

Cordell(@TheFilmRoom or formerdb on message boards) really has a wealth of knowledge to share. Very good follow, problem being he hasn't made training camp much save about a week.

Nick Jacobs(@Jacobs71 with Metro Sports) isn't as knowledgeable as Cordell, but still light years better than most. He may not be as knowledgeable as Cordell, but is better than most and willing to put himself out there. Even though he likes Stanzi, he's a lot less biased than most, pointing out his terrible mistakes as well as good plays.

One night when Cordell was unable to attend, he asked Jason Madison what coverage the QB's were throwing against in 7 on 7 in the redzone, which was a TDfest, Madison made excuse after excuse why he couldn't answer the question. I left the area, ten minutes later, still reporting on 7 on 7 happenings, Cordell asks again, "I can't get a good look from where I'm at". All this while the defense typically works on the same coverage through all three teams so they can all get reps and the coaches can evaluate a player's play in said coverage. The guy had tons of opportunities to figure out the coverage, but didn't know how and was afraid to put himself out there for ridicule. @Jacobs71 later answered Cordell question for him.

Those two guys are about the only guys I trust for player evaluation. The majority of the rest don't know what they're looking at and are only good for updates on what's happening.

Jason La Canfora is supposed to be at camp today I believe. Don't know if he's any good at player evaluation, or just a reporter like most of the rest. Still be cool to hear his takes though.

Here's how you can tell if a guy is good at player evaluation according to aturnis & BossChief


If they suck off Stanzi they know what there talking about.


If they don't then they don't know what there talking about.

[aturnis]

Originally Posted by Direckshun

Another reason was because he was recently cut, which means we'll get a compensatory pick for Carr even though we replaced him.

Word. I think it's mostly because he's shown good potential as the #2 in the past. A major concern has been discipline in scheme and play(penalties). That comes with coaching, and I feel we believe we're better at that than the Raiders. The Raiders db coaches coached Routte to be a bit over physical, the "receivers don't too" I mentality. I don't think that flies here, and while I fully expect a lot of flags from him, hopefully they start to die down late this year, and into next.