Chiefs Holthus takes a shot at Haley...

**petegz28** · 08-15-2012, 04:44 PM

On 810 not long ago he was talking about the chemistry on this team and how he hasn't seen it this way really since he has been calling the games but to the juice...

Said the big reason for the chemistry is there is not a bunch of nit-picking, micro-managing and "useless yelling". Said Cassel doesn't have to worry anymore about being chewed out after changing the play and completing a downfield pass when the play called did not call for such. Went on to say that accountability is being maintained and used the Monday walk-through as an example. Just said there isn't a bunch ot nit-picking and yelling. Romeo let's the coaches coach, etc.

He then elabortated more about how Daboll doesn't give a shit if Cassel changes a play at the line if he thinks the play called won't succeed against the defensive alignment.

I took that as a clear shot at Haley and in retrospect it certainly seems to fit what we saw out of him for 3 years.

Hammock Parties · 08-15-2012, 04:45 PM

Yes, the Chiefs are taking all kinds of underhanded shots at Haley and Bowe these days.

Especially Haley.

Any failure in the past three years? His fault.

Now that he's gone, everything will be awesome. He was evil and the fruits of the devil.

Dude sucked but to blame him for everything makes me sick.

**Dave Lane** · 08-15-2012, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Yes, the Chiefs are taking all kinds of underhanded shots at Haley and Bowe these days.

Especially Haley.

Any failure in the past three years? His fault.

Now that he's gone, everything will be awesome. He was the evil and the fruits of the devil.

No shit. Total scapegoat for everything.

**petegz28** · 08-15-2012, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Yes, the Chiefs are taking all kinds of underhanded shots at Haley and Bowe these days.

Especially Haley.

Any failure in the past three years? His fault.

Now that he's gone, everything will be awesome. He was evil and the fruits of the devil.

Dude sucked but to blame him for everything makes me sick.

dude, I was watching some of the game film from some games over the last two years and I clearly just don't think Cassel is that dumb. I mean there were plays where the defense was just stacking the line yet there went the hand off up the middle.

And I don't know which specific play he was referring too but he said Cassel no longer has to worry about being chewed out in his helmet after completing a 20 yard pass dowfield because the play called from the sidelines did not call for that route.

I won't blame Haley for ALL of the fail during his time here. But it is a great point about the yelling and nit-picking. When coaches do that all the ****ing time players tend to start tuning him out.

**petegz28** · 08-15-2012, 04:51 PM

And just to add my .02, Haley did not reserve his yelling to just the players. He cussed out coaches as well. Perhaps the temper tantrums and profanity laced, in-game lectures would have gone over better AFTER Haley had proven himself as a successful head coach.

Otherwise I think it just comes off as a problem of "little man syndrome".

threebag · 08-15-2012, 04:53 PM

So if the play call is a deep pass to stretch the field Matty doesn't have to worry about changing it to a sideways pass play. He's all good.

Rock on Matty...

...WORTHLESS one who sucks the penis.

Hammock Parties · 08-15-2012, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

dude, I was watching some of the game film from some games over the last two years and I clearly just don't think Cassel is that dumb. I mean there were plays where the defense was just stacking the line yet there went the hand off up the middle.

I don't think Cassel is dumb, either.

He just sucks at football. Inaccurate, mediocre arm, doesn't read defenses particularly well.

Smart guy. Shit QB.

There's also an entire sequence from the Seattle game that clearly shows Cassel had the ability to change plays, because the guy checked into a running play at the goal line in that game, or changed the direction of it or something. It was on HBO.

ToxSocks · 08-15-2012, 04:53 PM

When a new coach comes in, the old one is always the scapegoat.

Same shit, different day.

**petegz28** · 08-15-2012, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by threebag02

So if the play call is a deep pass to stretch the field Matty doesn't have to worry about changing it to a sideways pass play. He's all good.

In fairness, Hothus also went on to say that Trent Green was also not afforded the luxury of checking out of plays. Said some coaches are just like that, they call the play and that's what you will run regardless.

Hammock Parties · 08-15-2012, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by petegz28

And just to add my .02, Haley did not reserve his yelling to just the players. He cussed out coaches as well. Perhaps the temper tantrums and profanity laced, in-game lectures would have gone over better AFTER Haley had proven himself as a successful head coach.

Otherwise I think it just comes off as a problem of "little man syndrome".

Bill Parcells did the same ****ing thing.

**petegz28** · 08-15-2012, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

I don't think Cassel is dumb, either.

He just sucks at football. Inaccurate, mediocre arm, doesn't read defenses particularly well.

Smart guy. Shit QB.

There's also an entire sequence from the Seattle game that clearly shows Cassel had the ability to change plays, because the guy checked into a running play at the goal line in that game, or changed the direction of it or something. It was on HBO.

That was Weis, not Haley. We have been over this several times.

**petegz28** · 08-15-2012, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Bill Parcells did the same ****ing thing.

Bill Parcells also won a SB and went to another. Are you equating Haley to Parcells?

**petegz28** · 08-15-2012, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by The Macho Man

When a new coach comes in, the old one is always the scapegoat.

Same shit, different day.

Possibly but seriously when you hear "nit-picking, micro-managing and useless yelling" does that not get fit Haley like white on rice on a paper plate in a snow storm?

mcaj22 · 08-15-2012, 05:01 PM

pretty sure Big Ben was changing plays at the line and making reads in the Steelers first preseason game. So unless Haley is bipolar and completely different as a OC than he is a HC....

**BossChief** · 08-15-2012, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Yes, the Chiefs are taking all kinds of underhanded shots at Haley and Bowe these days.

Especially Haley.

Any failure in the past three years? His fault.

Now that he's gone, everything will be awesome. He was evil and the fruits of the devil.

Dude sucked but to blame him for everything makes me sick.

I hate to say it because I was a big Haley supporter, but it's possible his attitude was counterproductive across the board.

It was clear to see that the team responded the moment he was fired...and in a positive way. That turnaround has seemingly continued into this year.

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petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $2474127	Holthus takes a shot at Haley... On 810 not long ago he was talking about the chemistry on this team and how he hasn't seen it this way really since he has been calling the games but to the juice... Said the big reason for the chemistry is there is not a bunch of nit-picking, micro-managing and "useless yelling". Said Cassel doesn't have to worry anymore about being chewed out after changing the play and completing a downfield pass when the play called did not call for such. Went on to say that accountability is being maintained and used the Monday walk-through as an example. Just said there isn't a bunch ot nit-picking and yelling. Romeo let's the coaches coach, etc. He then elabortated more about how Daboll doesn't give a shit if Cassel changes a play at the line if he thinks the play called won't succeed against the defensive alignment. I took that as a clear shot at Haley and in retrospect it certainly seems to fit what we saw out of him for 3 years.
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petegz28 Supporter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Olathe, Ks Casino cash: $2474127	And just to add my .02, Haley did not reserve his yelling to just the players. He cussed out coaches as well. Perhaps the temper tantrums and profanity laced, in-game lectures would have gone over better AFTER Haley had proven himself as a successful head coach. Otherwise I think it just comes off as a problem of "little man syndrome".
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mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Casino cash: $10014454	pretty sure Big Ben was changing plays at the line and making reads in the Steelers first preseason game. So unless Haley is bipolar and completely different as a OC than he is a HC....
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