11 QB's under the gun in '12

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Eli and Rivers were high draft picks and got millions of dollars right off the bat.

Unfortunately for Stanzi, there is absolutely ZERO reason to give him the same number of chances those guys got.

There's a reason they were top guys and he was a 5th-round afterthought.

He's going to have to earn his playing time and to this point, he just hasn't done it.

And why doesn't that theory also apply to Cassel? After all his mediocre play over time, shouldn't there be a point where he has to earn playing time too? Why does the young, unproven guy have to climb a mountain to earn a starting job where the veteran, provenly mediocre guy has to prove beyond a miserably reasonable doubt that he no longer deserves the job?

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

And why doesn't that theory also apply to Cassel? After all his mediocre play over time, shouldn't there be a point where he has to earn playing time too? Why does the young, unproven guy have to climb a mountain to earn a starting job where the veteran, provenly mediocre guy has to prove beyond a miserably reasonable doubt that he no longer deserves the job?

Cassel is the best QB on the roster. He's earned the snaps because he is better. Until someone shows they can be better than Cassel then no one deserves the snaps more than him.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Cassel is the best QB on the roster. He's earned the snaps because he is better.

He hasn't earned his snaps. He has been given a SHITLOAD more chances than any other QB would have in his same exact situation. Given the amount of chances he's gotten, he's at a breaking point where he should be fighting for his job. But he's not.

It's ****ing ridiculous to judge a guy as being better because he was given chances, reps, and years and years of experience. Jon Kitna was better than a LOT of QBs during his career. That doesn't mean earned the right to start because he was decidedly mediocre given multiple opportunities.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

He hasn't earned his snaps. He has been given a SHITLOAD more chances than any other QB would have in his same exact situation. Given the amount of chances he's gotten, he's at a breaking point where he should be fighting for his job. But he's not.

It's ****ing ridiculous to judge a guy as being better because he was given chances, reps, and years and years of experience. Jon Kitna was better than a LOT of QBs during his career. That doesn't mean earned the right to start because he was decidedly mediocre given multiple opportunities.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

He hasn't earned his snaps. He has been given a SHITLOAD more chances than any other QB would have in his same exact situation. Given the amount of chances he's gotten, he's at a breaking point where he should be fighting for his job. But he's not.

It's ****ing ridiculous to judge a guy as being better because he was given chances, reps, and years and years of experience. Jon Kitna was better than a LOT of QBs during his career. That doesn't mean earned the right to start because he was decidedly mediocre given multiple opportunities.

He's absolutely earned his snaps, by default. He's the best QB on the roster, hands down.

The coaches aren't going to start Stanzi because Stanzi simply isn't better than Cassel, it's as simple as that.

If you want to blame someone, blame Pioli.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

He's absolutely earned his snaps, by default. He's the best QB on the roster, hands down.

The coaches aren't going to start Stanzi because Stanzi simply isn't better than Cassel, it's as simple as that.

If you want to blame someone, blame Pioli.

That's not the way most teams approach that. Tannehill is not a better QB than Matt Moore. But he's earned the starting job.

Look, I get that Stanzi is a much bigger longshot than Tannehill. But the idea that a raw QB shouldn't beat out an experienced QB because he's not as good today makes it impossible for an average veteran QB to ever lose his job. The question is whether Quinn or Stanzi with reps and meaningful snaps can play as well as Cassel by mid-season, if not better. I think there is tremendous potential to do that.

[jd1020]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

That's not the way most teams approach that. Tannehill is not a better QB than Matt Moore. But he's earned the starting job.

Look, I get that Stanzi is a much bigger longshot than Tannehill. But the idea that a raw QB shouldn't beat out an experienced QB because he's not as good today makes it impossible for an average veteran QB to ever lose his job. The question is whether Quinn or Stanzi with reps and meaningful snaps can play as well as Cassel by mid-season, if not better. I think there is tremendous potential to do that.

Why should any QB beat someone out when they aren't better?

Osweiler is going to be in Denver a lot longer than Peyton Manning. Why is he not starting? He's raw and was drafted in the 2nd.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by jd1020

Why should any QB beat someone out when they aren't better?

Osweiler is going to be in Denver a lot longer than Peyton Manning. Why is he not starting? He's raw and was drafted in the 2nd.

Give me a ****ing break. I am not in favor of starting Quinn or Stanzi over Peyton Manning, a guy with upside to take the team to the Super Bowl. I'm talking about starting them in favor of Cassel, a guy whose upside is to be a huge longshot to win the Super Bowl.

And again, your argument is completely predicated around the idea that veterans with experience who play mediocrely should be favored over young guys who play mediocre today but could play very well with experience.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

That's not the way most teams approach that. Tannehill is not a better QB than Matt Moore. But he's earned the starting job.

Look, I get that Stanzi is a much bigger longshot than Tannehill. But the idea that a raw QB shouldn't beat out an experienced QB because he's not as good today makes it impossible for an average veteran QB to ever lose his job. The question is whether Quinn or Stanzi with reps and meaningful snaps can play as well as Cassel by mid-season, if not better. I think there is tremendous potential to do that.

It absolutely is the way most teams approach it. Average veteran QBs get jobs in the NFL over and over and over again.

The only reason Tannehill is getting the nod here is because front offices always favor "their" guys. Tannehill was a high draft pick and the first draft pick of the new administration. If the competition in camp is even close, he's earned the right to compete for the starting job in the coaches' eyes. Ultimately, Philbin knows he doesn't have to win this year but he does have to win with Tannehill. He picked him and they're joined at the hip now, for better or worse.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

And why doesn't that theory also apply to Cassel? After all his mediocre play over time, shouldn't there be a point where he has to earn playing time too? Why does the young, unproven guy have to climb a mountain to earn a starting job where the veteran, provenly mediocre guy has to prove beyond a miserably reasonable doubt that he no longer deserves the job?

He's earned the playing time by default. He's far and away the best QB on the roster.

Now if you want to argue about why Pioli hasn't rectified that situation, I'm with you.

But given what we have at the QB position right now, Cassel is EASILY the best QB on the roster and it's not even close.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

He's earned the playing time by default. He's far and away the best QB on the roster.

Now if you want to argue about why Pioli hasn't rectified that situation, I'm with you.

But given what we have at the QB position right now, Cassel is EASILY the best QB on the roster and it's not even close.

Has to be done next year.

At least needs to draft a legit prospect in round 1 or 2.