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Old 08-23-2012, 04:20 PM   #1
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I know its none. I'm also not on the Stanzi wagon either for the same reason. Our best shot is actually with Brady Quinn.
I am okay with Quinn.

At least with Quinn, there is some element of upside. There is zero element of upside with Cassel. I'm not a fan of winning meaningless games while we learn nothing new about the most important guy for our long-term future.
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:22 PM   #2
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I am okay with Quinn.

At least with Quinn, there is some element of upside. There is zero element of upside with Cassel. I'm not a fan of winning meaningless games while we learn nothing new about the most important guy for our long-term future.
Then Quinn is going to have to unseat Cassel which from reports he is failing to do.
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:30 PM   #3
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Then Quinn is going to have to unseat Cassel which from reports he is failing to do.
The problem is that the Chiefs walked into the season with the tightly held belief that Cassel was the starter until someone proved beyond a reasonable doubt otherwise.

And that's the big part of the problem. This should have been an open competition from the get-go. INstead, Pioli told Quinn flat-out that he's not the starter.

I wanted to see a fair QB competition, instead of a competition where the starter has to drop significantly and the backup has to rise significantly in order to see a switch.
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:31 PM   #4
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The problem is that the Chiefs walked into the season with the tightly held belief that Cassel was the starter until someone proved beyond a reasonable doubt otherwise.

And that's the big part of the problem. This should have been an open competition from the get-go. INstead, Pioli told Quinn flat-out that he's not the starter.

I wanted to see a fair QB competition, instead of a competition where the starter has to drop significantly and the backup has to rise significantly in order to see a switch.
Even if it was a fair competition Cassel has won.
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:32 PM   #5
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Quinn and Stanzi don't either. Cassel is the best QB on the roster and it's not even debatable.
Welp, it's settled then; Pioli can't pick QB's for jack OR shit.

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I might stop reading threads about QB's until Cassel is gone. It's the same shit over and over.

Cassel sucks, and has ruined a pretty good team.
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:33 PM   #6
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The problem is that the Chiefs walked into the season with the tightly held belief that Cassel was the starter until someone proved beyond a reasonable doubt otherwise.

And that's the big part of the problem. This should have been an open competition from the get-go. INstead, Pioli told Quinn flat-out that he's not the starter.

I wanted to see a fair QB competition, instead of a competition where the starter has to drop significantly and the backup has to rise significantly in order to see a switch.
In a truly fair competition, Cassel wins 99 times out of 100. Sad but true.
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:34 PM   #7
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In a truly fair competition, Cassel wins 99 times out of 100. Sad but true.
If you put Quinn repeatedly in practice with Baldwin, Moeaki, Bowe, Charles, the starting offensive line, etc..... Don't you think that gives a much fairer edge, vs. spending all your practices with the #2's and #3's?

I mean, ****, Cassel's entire offense has been built around throwing to tight ends and running backs this offseason.
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:45 PM   #8
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If you put Quinn repeatedly in practice with Baldwin, Moeaki, Bowe, Charles, the starting offensive line, etc..... Don't you think that gives a much fairer edge, vs. spending all your practices with the #2's and #3's?

I mean, ****, Cassel's entire offense has been built around throwing to tight ends and running backs this offseason.
If Quinn had repeatedly demonstrated, while practicing with the 2's and 3's, that he deserved a chance to run with the 1's, you don't think they might try it, at least once?

At some point, the coaches' job is to get this team ready to win in the regular season. They can't spend the entire camp evaluating guys in some kind of futile hope that they can pull a rabbit out of the hat.

If there's not a Super Bowl caliber on the roster, that's not the coaches' fault. That's Pioli's fault.

They've got PLENTY of familiarity with Quinn, that's why they brought him here in the 1st place. And it's also why he's currently a backup and not a starter.
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:48 PM   #9
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If Quinn had repeatedly demonstrated, while practicing with the 2's and 3's, that he deserved a chance to run with the 1's, you don't think they might try it, at least once?

At some point, the coaches' job is to get this team ready to win in the regular season. They can't spend the entire camp evaluating guys in some kind of futile hope that they can pull a rabbit out of the hat.

If there's not a Super Bowl caliber on the roster, that's not the coaches' fault. That's Pioli's fault.

They've got PLENTY of familiarity with Quinn, that's why they brought him here in the 1st place. And it's also why he's currently a backup and not a starter.
You don't think any of that was predicated on the idea that Pioli told Quinn flat out that he's the backup? It's not even like he said you could play very well and compete for the starting job. He told him flat-out that Cassel was the starter.

Which again goes to the idea... did Quinn never earn the right to first team reps? Or did Pioli make it very clear that that was never going to happen. It seems to me there is plenty of pressure from the top to say that it would have taken an act of god to remove Cassel from starting in game 1 this season.
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Old 08-23-2012, 04:36 PM   #10
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In a truly fair competition, Cassel wins 99 times out of 100. Sad but true.
Some people just wont get it. We need a QB in the worst way. Doesn't change the fact that Cassel is the best we have. Quinn is not better and neither is Stanzi. Stanzi MAY develop into something down the line but he is clearly the 3rd best QB on the roster, as of today, and no one is going to throw away a season because a 3rd string QB MAY develop into something years from now.
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Old 08-23-2012, 08:27 PM   #11
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In a truly fair competition, Cassel wins 99 times out of 100. Sad but true.
Who knows?

Give Stanzi Cassels pocket and weapons and put Cassel on the group Stanzi has played with and who knows what happens.

Hard to say either way being that the team doesn't want anybody but Cassel to have any looks with the first teamers.

I do agree that Stanzi hasn't earned that right, yet...but I also think he has gotten a raw deal on the field so far, too.

Lets not act as if Cassel would be doing any better under the pressure Stanzi has seen in every game he has played in so far.

We have seen what happens to Cassel under pressure....even the kind of pressure he imagines and isn't really there.
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