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Old 08-24-2012, 11:57 AM   #1
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WADA has ruled that USADA had jurisdiction, and the world court is not heavily biased to get past the EPO era like the ICF is. Then of course there's the small matter that the Americans are the ones who are recommending that another American, due to overwhelming proof, be stripped of the record 7 titles.
No, I was asking what new evidence you think that USADA has that proves that Armstrong doped. I haven't seen what that is. Have you? If they have a positive, why wasn't it found before?
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Old 08-24-2012, 11:59 AM   #2
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No, I was asking what new evidence you think that USADA has that proves that Armstrong doped. I haven't seen what that is. Have you? If they have a positive, why wasn't it found before?
Armstrong failed tests during his 2009 and 2010 comeback attempts.

Then there's the long parade of witnesses, including teammates, going back to 1998. Above all of that, is the blatantly obvious fact that Armstrong could not have possibly beaten a field full of cheaters, by only a few minutes, not hours so that you'd think he's some crazy mutant species of human, during those 7 years.
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Old 08-24-2012, 12:03 PM   #3
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Armstrong failed tests during his 2009 and 2010 comeback attempts.
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Then there's the long parade of witnesses, including teammates, going back to 1998.
You mean a list of cyclists who DID get positives, were banned, denied it and then came clean? You consider those to be reliable witnesses?

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Above all of that, is the blatantly obvious fact that Armstrong could not have possibly beaten a field full of cheaters, by only a few minutes, not hours so that you'd think he's some crazy mutant species of human, during those 7 years.
That doesn't make any sense, either. In fact, it seems to negate your argument. If he HAD beaten all these dopers by hours and not minutes, your argument might make sense. He didn't. He also always had a VERY strong team riding for him. Only in the individual TTs is it a non-team sport. Even then, teamates will support the leader.
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Old 08-24-2012, 12:23 PM   #4
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You mean a list of cyclists who DID get positives, were banned, denied it and then came clean? You consider those to be reliable witnesses?


Here is an interesting read from JV. Who did not get busted, banned or denied.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/12/op...pagewanted=all
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Old 08-24-2012, 12:29 PM   #5
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Here is an interesting read from JV. Who did not get busted, banned or denied.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/12/op...pagewanted=all
Is he among those riders who claim to have seen Armstrong dope?
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Old 08-24-2012, 12:30 PM   #6
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Is he among those riders who claim to have seen Armstrong dope?
It's rumored that he's among the witnesses in the USADA case.
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It's rumored that he's among the witnesses in the USADA case.
I love rumors. Vaughters was never Lance's teammate, right?
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Is he among those riders who claim to have seen Armstrong dope?
Most likely.

Others thought to include,

George Hincapie
Levi Leipheimer
Christian Vande Velde
David Zabriskie
Floyd Landis
Tyler Hamilton
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Most likely.

Others thought to include,

George Hincapie
Levi Leipheimer
Christian Vande Velde
David Zabriskie
Why would he do it in front of people? That many people?
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