Post Pioli, are we looking at a full rebuild?

[Hammock Parties]

Dorsey would not be a good pass rusher in any scheme.

They've tried to use him as a pass rusher in the past. He was in the sub rush package on third downs in 2009.

He sucks at it.

He sucked at it in the 4-3 as a rookie, too.

[WhiteWhale]

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Dorsey would not be a good pass rusher in any scheme.

They've tried to use him as a pass rusher in the past. He was in the sub rush package on third downs in 2009.

He sucks at it.

He sucked at it in the 4-3 as a rookie, too.

That's what I see as well.

The truth is Dorsey just isn't as good as he looked like he would be in college. I thought Dorsey would be a dominant player in the NFL when he was at LSU. He manhandled everyone he played against.

[Ace Gunner]

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

They have to read and react, which prevents them from attacking off the snap like they could in a 1 gap, but they're not somehow disallowed from rushing the passer once they read it as such. I don't know why people always apply their run responsibilities to the pass.

It makes the rushing the QB more difficult for 2 guys who aren't very good at it anyway, but good players at DE can thrive in the defense and still grab 4-6 sacks and a decent amount of pressure. Dorsey being a pass rusher was always a projection that makes no sense. He had 13 sacks in college. He was never a 1 gap explosive pass rusher in college. He's never shown exceptional explosion in the NFL. I just don't see Dorsey becoming THAT much better in a 1 gap system.

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Dorsey would not be a good pass rusher in any scheme.

They've tried to use him as a pass rusher in the past. He was in the sub rush package on third downs in 2009.

He sucks at it.

He sucked at it in the 4-3 as a rookie, too.

Originally Posted by WhiteWhale

That's what I see as well.

The truth is Dorsey just isn't as good as he looked like he would be in college. I thought Dorsey would be a dominant player in the NFL when he was at LSU. He manhandled everyone he played against.

Thanks for setting this str8 fellas.

This defense is absolutely embarrassing this season. This front seven has been just horrible. They have nickle blitzed, dime blitzed, sent everyone it seems and it just has not helped the front seven get pass rush.

DJ has been laughable and Tamba has how many sacks in 4 games -- ZERO???

What we have seen the past two seasons is a team playing well above their ceiling. Sans Jamaal, this team has come back full circle to what each player was. Garbage. Dorsey isn't gonna be in the NFL much longer and other than spot duty, DJ is gonna go to pasture sooner than he should because in spite of all that talent, he just doesn't have game.

Hali has been a great story -- he's got the worst feet of any decent pass rusher I have ever seen. In spite of his shortcomings, he has been spectacular. But, this fantasy has ended. Hali has returned to his god given mortality because teams have figured him out. In fact, they've figured this whole defense out, player by player they just take this defense apart game after game.

Powe has ability, but I don't think he has enough mental horsepower for this level. I hope I'm wrong, but I already see his ceiling.

Poe, Belcher & Houston are the only F7 players I like on this team going forward. Ropati showed a move that surprised when he got that sack last week, but I haven't seen him play enough to comment.

Poe has the mentality & he is quick. He could make noise later.

Belcher is just a guy that has a nose for the ball, speed to get there and can get off blocks regularly. The dude thumps good. Might never be a good cover LB, but not bad considering how young he is now and how few seasons he's been pro.

Houston is another guy that plays smart, has the athletic ability to play LB and gets after plays consistently, both run & pass. He's going to be a good one, I expect.


But the rest of this fronts seven is just laughable. They are horrible -- not because of scheme, not because of coaching, but because they are pitiful players. They suck. Like Cassel, but worse. Dorsey & DJ have literally lost games for this team. They are never going to get better than we have seen. They need to be replaced.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

Dorsey would not be a good pass rusher in any scheme.

They've tried to use him as a pass rusher in the past. He was in the sub rush package on third downs in 2009.

He sucks at it.

He sucked at it in the 4-3 as a rookie, too.

In college, he got away with bull rushing. But his strength was really that his first step was uncanny, kind of like Hali's, and that he had unbelievable quickness.

Gun was stupid because he lined him up at the Nose. Romeo's scheme under-utilizes him by making him a read and react player instead of being a guy that bursts off the snap.

I think if you got him back into attacking instead of spending the majority of the time reading and reacting, he can learn the instincts to become the player he's supposed to be. I think 1-gap really fits his skill sets nicely. But to do that, you have to let him do that every day and get out of the habits of read and react.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

In college, he got away with bull rushing. But his strength was really that his first step was uncanny, kind of like Hali's, and that he had unbelievable quickness.

Gun was stupid because he lined him up at the Nose. Romeo's scheme under-utilizes him by making him a read and react player instead of being a guy that bursts off the snap.

I think if you got him back into attacking instead of spending the majority of the time reading and reacting, he can learn the instincts to become the player he's supposed to be. I think 1-gap really fits his skill sets nicely. But to do that, you have to let him do that every day and get out of the habits of read and react.

Dude.

He does not have burst off the snap.

He is not good at penetrating.

He will never succeed as a one-gap penetrator.

I have seen him try to pass rush and get upfield.

He blows.

He's a guy who is great at one thing: 2-gapping.

All the scouting reports said that was his strength, too. NOT pass rushing.

[Chris Meck]

I think going to a four man line would be stupid. I think utilizing most of the talent we have in an attacking, one gap 3-4 scheme would be smart.

I like the Erhardt-Perkins offensive scheme, and think we have the receivers for it.

I think a total rebuild would be a big mistake. There is talent in place to build on.

A real QB makes a huge difference. We leave points on the field all the time as it is.