Chiefs Clark caught between a rock and a hard place

chiefzilla1501 · 10-13-2012, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

nope

You sit down with Pioli and make it perfectly clear that the Cassel experiment is over and he is to make getting a stud QB his top priority right now. That includes possibly trading Bowe or whomever, before the deadline, to a team that looks to have a top draft pick next year.

Also IF Crennel is staying, which is probably has to, then they need to hire a DC that can not only help Crennel but can augment the defensive scheme with the more aggressive plays(ala 1-gap plays).

despite all the rumor/media/make-believe bullshit that's being talk about around here, the 2 things we really need are a franchise QB and improved HC coaching.

It might not be ideal, but blowing it all up again is probably not a good idea so soon either.

Give us QB Geno Smith and DC Kirby Smart and we're good.

Wow, your head is in the sand.

No head coach wants to ****ing work in Kansas city. No defensive coordinator or offensive coordinator wants to work here. I can't imagine what kind of reject coach we'd have to get that would agree to being micro managed all the way to the starting lineup setup.

And as long as pioli is there,arrowhead will be dead. You can't shut the media out and not think that maybe the media helped create some excitement around the team.

There is nothing good that comes of keeping pioli. I generally like the team he has built, but some of the damage is unrepairable unless he leaves.

Mr. Laz · 10-13-2012, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

No head coach wants to ****ing work in Kansas city.

No defensive coordinator or offensive coordinator wants to work here. I can't imagine what kind of reject coach we'd have to get that would

agree to being micro managed all the way to the starting lineup setup.

And as long as pioli is there,arrowhead will be dead.

You can't shut the media out and not think that maybe the media helped create some excitement around the team.

all made-up, tinfoil hat bullshit

There isn't any evident to backup the Dr. Evil/Pioli bullshit ... it's just crazy fans who have talked themselves into believe shit because they are pissed.

KCrockaholic · 10-13-2012, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

all made-up, tinfoil hat bullshit

There isn't any evident to backup the Dr. Evil/Pioli bullshit ... it's just crazy fans who have talked themselves into believe shit because they are pissed.

Why has nearly every single hire been guys he's worked with previously? We won't get new blood in here unless they are ok with being micro-managed. You're in denial about Pioli.

Mr. Laz · 10-13-2012, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic

Why has nearly every single hire been guys he's worked with previously? We won't get new blood in here unless they are ok with being micro-managed. You're in denial about Pioli.

ALL coaches tend to hire people they know or have worked with before.

it's just been turned into some twisted conspiracy around here.

KCrockaholic · 10-13-2012, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

ALL coaches tend to hire people they know or have worked with before.

it's just been turned into some twisted conspiracy around here.

Mr. Laz · 10-13-2012, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic

so you're saying that guys in the NFL DON'T tend to hire guys they have previously worked with?

You're lying or just making shit up now

KCrockaholic · 10-13-2012, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz

so you're saying that coaches DON'T tend to hire guys they have previously worked with?

You're lying or just making shit up now

No. I'm not going to argue with you about this. Anyone who still believes in Pioli....

Has their

splatbass · 10-13-2012, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic

Why has nearly every single hire been guys he's worked with previously?

That happens all over the NFL. Always has, always will.

KCrockaholic · 10-13-2012, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

That happens all over the NFL. Always has, always will.

It didn't happen in Atlanta.

splatbass · 10-13-2012, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by KCrockaholic

It didn't happen in Atlanta.

So? Does that mean that it doesn't happen on most teams? Of course not. Seriously, some of you guys need to take a course in logic.

Also, going back to your first post in this thread, no team should ever let the fans run the team. That is a poor way to manage anything. Fans are fickle, and change their minds constantly, based on knee jerk reactions and not knowledge of what is going on. Only an idiot would let a popularity contest make important decisions.

Pioli should be fired, and Cassel should have been benched long ago. But it should be because it is the right decision, not because idiots on a message board practicing group think want them to.

splatbass · 10-13-2012, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

No head coach wants to ****ing work in Kansas city. No defensive coordinator or offensive coordinator wants to work here. I can't imagine what kind of reject coach we'd have to get that would agree to being micro managed all the way to the starting lineup setup.

BS. Even Al Davis was able to hire coaches, and no one micromanaged more than him.

chiefzilla1501 · 10-13-2012, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

BS. Even Al Davis was able to hire coaches, and no one micromanaged more than him.

Al Davis hired a bunch of bottom-of-the-barrel coaches. Gruden and Kiffin were two of the youngest coaches to ever coach football (Kiffin was the youngest). He sought out high risk young guys who wanted a shot. And guess what, most of them were let go within a few years because Al Davis drafted whomever he wanted, regardless of whether it fit the coach's philosophy.

**BossChief** · 10-13-2012, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Al Davis hired a bunch of bottom-of-the-barrel coaches. Gruden and Kiffin were two of the youngest coaches to ever coach football (Kiffin was the youngest). He sought out high risk young guys who wanted a shot. And guess what, most of them were let go within a few years because Al Davis drafted whomever he wanted, regardless of whether it fit the coach's philosophy.

The Raiders problem was the same as any other loser team (like the Chiefs)

They didn't have a quarterback.

When they got Gannon, look what happened.

Mr. Laz · 10-13-2012, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

The Raiders problem was the same as any other loser team (like the Chiefs)

They didn't have a quarterback.

When they got Gannon, look what happened.

which is the key and what Hunt might decide to focus on

You get Crennel DC help and a franchise QB and stuff improves a lot faster than gutting everything again.

**alnorth** · 10-13-2012, 04:34 PM

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Clark caught between a rock and a hard place

No, he's not. He's the F'ing owner, no one can fire him.

There is an argument to be made for a coach or a GM to not be seen as being subject to the will of the fans, or they'll be seen as weak, unable to be their own man, etc. More likely to be fired, less likely to find another job.

An owner doesn't have to care about what anyone else thinks. If he believes Pioli should be fired, he should fire him. The media then criticizes him for bending to the fickle whim of the fans? Screw the media, the owner doesn't have to worry much about his reputation.