Geno Smith fans roll call

[RealSNR]

NEW THREAD HEADER (11/17/12):

The list is gone. We will all be Geno Smith fans when he gets drafted by the Chiefs. For historical documentation's sake, I'll keep the list in a separate post on this thread: http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=3314

WHY GENO SMITH?
If you're wondering if Geno Smith is right for you, check out this brilliant post by Saccopoo:

http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...postcount=5388

Next, we have a few GIFs you may be interested in from the Oklahoma game. Insane potential. These are the elite throws that very few QBs can make. What more can I say? Geno Smith can be a franchise QB in the NFL, and the Chiefs need to take a shot on him.

GIF #1:

Spoiler!

GIF #2:

Spoiler!

GIF #3 (My favorite):

Spoiler!

HOW DO WE GET HIM HERE?

Glad you asked. I posted this checklist earlier. It probably belongs in the thread header, and will be updated as the Chiefs close out their season and start a new chapter in their franchise story.

Preparing for Geno Smith's Arrival In KC Checklist

1. [X] Lose games and acquire the #1 overall pick
2. [X] Get Pioli and the Patriot Way cronies the **** out
3. [X] Hire new GM/coach

OPTIONAL (but highly recommended):
4. [ ] Re-sign/tag Bowe, who really wants to play in KC with Geno
5. [ ] Re-sign/tag Albert

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

He's not a better prospect than Luck ath the same stage. However, he's not as far removed in terms of what he brings to the table. He's as good a prospect not named Andrew Luck that I've seen in recent memory. That includes Stafford, Ryan, Bradford and any other quarterback that has gone first overall since Peyton Manning.

Which means, he IS a better prospect than Griffin at the same stage.

I've already said why numerous times, so I'm not doing it again. And I've yet to see where anyone can refute it. If you want to make a case for Griffin over Smith at the same stages of their careers, go right ahead and then I'll address it then, but you are going to have to make that case.

He is not a better prospect than Griffin. If you are right, teams will be throwing first round picks at the team with the #1 spot in the draft for Smith. It isn't going to happen.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

I'm not advocating for Cameron.

I'm using him as the measuring stick for how much I dislike the idea of hiring Norv Turner.

I'd take Cameron ahead of Norvelle as well.

But I'd actually love to see Chan Gailey back in KC as the OC if the Bills fired him.

That guy has shown his versatility and adaptability over the years.

Imaginative and creative.

[ILChief]

Originally Posted by PGM

Dumb****s have been projecting us a LT for at least a decade. Nothing new. Amazing the reeruns these sites use.

He starts out with: I know I'm going to get clobbered for this....

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2012/1...s-luke-joeckel

[ILChief]

Originally Posted by milkman

I'd take Cameron ahead of Norvelle as well.

But I'd actually love to see Chan Gailey back in KC as the OC if the Bills fired him.

That guy has shown his versatility and adaptability over the years.

Imaginative and creative.

Chan took an offense with much less talent than daboll has to work with and averaged like 20 a game

[Quesadilla Joe]

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chats

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Chiefnj2

He is not a better prospect than Griffin. If you are right, teams will be throwing first round picks at the team with the #1 spot in the draft for Smith. It isn't going to happen.

Yes, he is.

And I've already put out why multiple times.

If you are saying he isn't, then you make the case why, because you just saying it doesn't make it so.

And no one was throwing out multiple picks for Griffin at this point last year. The Griffin frenzy was just starting to pick up steam when he received the Heisman and built to a crescendo at the Combine. Same thing with Cam Newton. (And that guy had a dog shit combine - I've never seen a QB throw that poorly in a structured setting than that, but again, you can't necessarily predict that that means anything. The guy is a gamer and shows up on the field.)

Sorry, but because the ****ing stupid Washington Redskins pissed away three first rounders on Griffin isn't the sole measuring stick of why he was a better prospect than Smith. (And remember, the Redskins gave Albert Haynesworth 100 million dollars. Their decision making in football hasn't been the best.)

You'll have to do better than that to convince me otherwise.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by DomerNKC

You have the first pick brock. Ray Lewis or Joe Flacco...Go with Joe, it would be plain reeruned to go with Ray. This year its the best inside linebacker to come around in years or a taller slower Blaine Gabbert.

This is a poor argument.

Only a moron would take Flacco ahead of Lewis with the benefit of hindsight.

And since I didn't like Flacco in that draft, I wouldn't have taken ahead of Lewis even then.

Also, Smith is not a taller, slower Gabbert.

He's shorter and faster, and more athletic.

But's let's look at things from a different perspective.

I disagree with your opinion on Teo, and you disagree with my opinion on Smith, who I have compared to Aaron Rodgers.

But for the sake of a civil debate, I'll assume that Teo's upside is Ray Lewis if you will assume that Smith's is Rodgers.

Based on that, would you take Teo over Smith?

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by hometeam

My football buddy that comes over on Sunday is a traitorous chargers fan. And barring when I went to KC to watch games live, I have watched every Chargers game for the past 5 years.

So I have seen Norv in action, a lot. I don't want him anywhere near the play calling for this team. He has no fire, the players don't play for him, and he has gone into a conservative turtle shell as of the last 2 seasons.

I'm not worried. Norvs job as a coordinator isn't to motivate. And a head coach can typically dictate aggressiveness of play calling. All I care about is if he can coach players on technique and coordinate a scheme. He can absolutely do that and would not be the first or last head coach that was far better suited for a coordinator role. It also didn't help that aj Smith was embarrassingly bad at destruction the offensive talent on that roster.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by milkman

This is a poor argument.

Only a moron would take Flacco ahead of Lewis with the benefit of hindsight.

Call me Dan Quayle...

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Yes, he is.

And I've already put out why multiple times.

If you are saying he isn't, then you make the case why, because you just saying it doesn't make it so.

And no one was throwing out multiple picks for Griffin at this point last year. The Griffin frenzy was just starting to pick up steam when he received the Heisman and built to a crescendo at the Combine. Same thing with Cam Newton. (And that guy had a dog shit combine - I've never seen a QB throw that poorly in a structured setting than that, but again, you can't necessarily predict that that means anything. The guy is a gamer and shows up on the field.)

Sorry, but because the ****ing stupid Washington Redskins pissed away three first rounders on Griffin isn't the sole measuring stick of why he was a better prospect than Smith. (And remember, the Redskins gave Albert Haynesworth 100 million dollars. Their decision making in football hasn't been the best.)

You'll have to do better than that to convince me otherwise.

First, it isn't just the skins. Every draft expert believed he was an elite prospect. Some even wondered if he would go ahead of luck. Multiple teams were making offers for aggressive trade up. Don't act like the skins were some crazy team going Rogue. Rgiii was a consensus blue chip prospect.

And again, their passing skill sets are similar. Geno is probably more polished in the pocket. But Rgiii ability to also be an elite athlete adds a whole dimension to his gMe that Geno does not have. And yes, I view Rgiii as a Pocket passer who can use his legs as a weapon only as needed.

[O.city]

If I were the Skins or Shanny, I'd be telling RGIII to run LESS. I can't have him on the sideline because he got blown up by some Safety.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

First, it isn't just the skins. Every draft expert believed he was an elite prospect. Some even wondered if he would go ahead of luck.

Multiple teams were making offers for aggressive trade up. Don't act like the skins were some crazy team going Rogue. Rgiii was a consensus blue chip prospect.

Griffin was a third/fourth round halfback/slot receiver to start the 2011 season. He was definitely not a blue chip QB prospect until the Heisman vote to the combine.

And again, their passing skill sets are similar. Geno is probably more polished in the pocket. But Rgiii ability to also be an elite athlete adds a whole dimension to his gMe that Geno does not have. And yes, I view Rgiii as a Pocket passer who can use his legs as a weapon only as needed.

The problem with Griffin is that he is a quarterback with a big arm who relies his legs far too often. He doesn't have any experience other than what you have seen this year in a true pro style set and is relying on his athleticism to bail him out of tight situations versus remaining in the pocket and finding that receiver downfield. Concussion earlier this season ring a bell? How about the knee that got snapped over Ngata because the guy went head first instead of sliding?

Kid's going to get killed if he doesn't change his game.

Mike Vick never played a full NFL season. Neither has Robert Griffin.

And Griffin is most likely the most athletic quarterback in the NFL. He's got another dimension that guys like Peyton Manning and Tom Brady don't have. You taking him over those guys because he can run faster than any QB in the NFL?

Geno Smith has the best pocket presence I've seen at the college level in a long, long time. Eyes downfield all the time and he's looking to find that receiver versus looking to take off and run for a couple.

Look, I like Griffin a ton. But I don't like his current game. He's going to end up broken. Badly. When the Redskins are trotting out Kirk Cousins at QB instead of Bobby because he's on the bench with an injury that was caused by his "elite athletic skills", ask them if those extra three first round picks make sense then.

[Chiefnj2]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

And no one was throwing out multiple picks for Griffin at this point last year. The Griffin frenzy was just starting to pick up steam when he received the Heisman and built to a crescendo at the Combine.

Completely untrue. I and others have posted links where in early November he was the 12th rated prospect and he climbed steadily into a top pick by early December.

If Geno was as good as you think every single media entity would be hying him up like Luck. The real scouts aren't as enamored with him as you are which is why you are seeing constant reports about no QB at the top spot right now.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Every draft expert believed he was an elite prospect.

Not in December 2011 they didn't.

Todd McShay had him going at the END of the 1st round in his December mock draft last year.

EDIT: In McShay's January mock draft, he had Griffin going 7th.

[keg in kc]

There are some parallels between Smith and Griffin. I would say Griffin is clearly more gifted athletically, but I don't think Smith is all that far behind as a quarterback prospect, and as I've said before I would not be surprised if he's suddenly the flavor of the month by March, once the bowl season, combine and workouts are over.