Don Banks from SI on Chiefs Coaching/GM

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

• Kansas City -- The general consensus among the league sources I interviewed was that the high level of fan unrest in Kansas City would probably lead Chiefs owner Clark Hunt to make the personally difficult decision to replace general manager Scott Pioli, and not just head coach Romeo Crennel. Hunt and Pioli remain close, so there's a chance Pioli returns, especially if there's a head coach hire that Pioli can sell to Hunt as the potential difference maker. Iowa head coach Kirk Ferentz is a name long linked to Pioli dating from their days together in Cleveland, and he always surfaces as a possible Pioli hire.

If Pioli isn't retained, he won't be out of work for long, because his personnel judgments are still widely respected throughout the league -- at least outside of Kansas City. It was thought the Chiefs might pursue Bill Polian as a GM candidate, but sources say there has not been contact between the two, even though Polian was thought to be willing to listen.

Other potential GM hires by the Chiefs are plentiful, but they include San Francisco's Gamble, Green Bay director of football operations John Dorsey and Indianapolis vice president of football operations Tom Telesco.

Dorsey is known for having a good eye for talent, and his college scouting background gives him a strong draft pedigree. He has worked under both Ted Thompson and Ron Wolf in Green Bay, two of the most respected personnel evaluators in recent NFL history, and sources say he's ready and willing to pursue all GM opportunities after turning down offers to interview last year.

On the coaching side, Arians, who might win the NFL Coach of the Year award for the job he did as the Colts' interim, is a name that has surfaced in Kansas City. His track record for quarterback coaching is respected, and his résumé includes successful stints with the likes of Peyton Manning in Indy, Ben Roethlisberger in Pittsburgh and this year's impressive rookie season by the Colts' Andrew Luck.

On the defensive side of the ball, Cincinnati defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer has again done a superb job with the talent he has on hand, and his work has as much to do with the Bengals returning to the playoffs as any other factor. He has been long considered a quality head coaching candidate, and his son, Adam Zimmer, is currently a defensive assistant on Crennel's staff.

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[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Shocker, Zilla thinks he'll do well if hired in Arizona with really no basis for such an opinion.

What coordinators are going to coach with him? Pioli is a smug one who sucks the penis who few want to work for, and Haley is in the same boat.

I think he'll do well in Arizona because he runs a disciplined team that works hard and responds well to coaching, which is my top criteria for a head coach.

Your point about coordinators is fair. I don't make excuses for stuff like that. And maybe Haley is purely insufferable to work with. But I also have heard plenty to suggest that Pioli didn't give Haley any say whatsoever in decisions like this, including what kind of an offense they were going to run. So reason to be skeptical, but still want to see how he responds with a GM who gives him even a tiny voice in picking his own staff.

[BossChief]

Charles alone is worth 2-3 more wins.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

That's damn near impossible to say. You don't know how the team would have played against Green Bay, or the closeout game in Denver.

We're talking about the same team who quit on Todd Haley during the Jets game right?

[007]

Originally Posted by ROYC75

I love this place.

CP basically goes nuts Clark hires Pioli, the majority of the FB world says, Good or Great Hire!

Pioli hires Todd Haley,CP basically goes nuts, the majority of the FB world says, Good or a Great hire. Up and coming new OC, great open offensive mind with SB experience.

Pioli gets Matt Cassel,many CP and Chiefs fans goes nuts about a QB that knows the Patriot Way.Many CP and Chief fans revolt, cuss, kick and scream because of Cassel's 1 year success and millions of dollars.

CP and Chiefs fans goes nuts over Haley & Pioli feuds,gum & candy wrappers, wire taps, etc .... Chiefs fans embarrassed by Pioli & Todd, blames Todd.

Kent Bab exposes Pioli,long after Whitlock feuds with Pioli ... CP & Chief fans wake up. Pioli is a dictator!

Now in the wake of Pioli may stay as long as he hires a new HC and gets a new ( finally a 1st rd ) QB ?

Chiefs fans are their own worst enemy when it comes to wanting something. It's damn easy to just accept and go with the flow and bitch along the way.

Most wanted nothing to do with Cassel and a fairly good percentage also didn't like the Haley hire. Not sure where you are getting that MOST of CP went NUTS over those two unless you meant we went nuts with hate over it.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Guru

Most wanted nothing to do with Cassel and a fairly good percentage also didn't like the Haley hire. Not sure where you are getting that MOST of CP went NUTS over those two unless you meant we went nuts with hate over it.

Agreed. We have NOT been given what we want yet, which is a franchise QB.

Matt Cassel didn't count in 2009 and he doesn't count now.

[BigRock]

Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

The Steelers offense certainly isn't better with Todd Haley.

Provided they can manage the tall task of scoring at least 5 points at home against Cleveland on Sunday, the Steelers will have scored more points per game this year on offense (currently 20.3) than they did a year ago (19.4).

And that's with being in their first year in a new system, Mendenhall missing most of the year, Ben getting hurt, etc. etc. They were scoring 23 a game before Ben's injury, so the improvement could have been even better than the slightly better status it's currently at.

But even slightly better is still better.

[RUSH]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Which is exactly why you lose credibility. Three years ago, we were talking about drafting Russell Okung and moving Albert to Guard because he just wasn't good enough to play left tackle. Today, he's a top tier left tackle and people want to franchise tag him and are enraged at the thought that Pioli may choose to not re-sign him. He improved dramatically. It's ridiculous to suggest he's not significantly better than he was as a rookie.

Didn't read your whole post but this is just false.

Albert had a great rookie season with Herm running the show and nobody reasonable was calling for Andre Smith, Eugene Monroe, or Jason Smith to replace him.

Albert began his struggles when Haley came in and had him lose 30-40 pounds. He then went on to struggle in 2009 and play average in 2010.

He's been an above average tackle in 2011 & 2012.

Did the weight loss help? Maybe. But let's not act like Albert didn't show he was on his way to becoming a premier left tackle before Haley got his hands on him. I would even say that he almost ruined him.

[BlackHelicopters]

Ferentz can probably make Stanzi All Pro.

[FRCDFED]

Originally Posted by notorious

I agree, it all comes down to Pioli being a complete ****ing reerun with Cassel.

Cassel led to Haley's firing, Crennel's hiring as HC, completely alienating the fans, etc.


If Pioli is retained, say hello to Josh McDaniels.

Is it wrong to want Haley back?

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Which is exactly why you lose credibility. Three years ago, we were talking about drafting Russell Okung and moving Albert to Guard because he just wasn't good enough to play left tackle.

Irony is nonstop. "We" sure as **** were not talking about moving Albert to guard, and "we" sure as **** were not talking about drafting Okung.

The above is a completely invented narrative for many of the posters on this board, including the vast majority of posters whom I interact with on this site. Hell, we've largely lambasted any suggestions of moving Albert, much like we used to mock individuals who decried the play of Carr.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by RUSH

Didn't read your whole post but this is just false.

Albert had a great rookie season with Herm running the show and nobody reasonable was calling for Andre Smith, Eugene Monroe, or Jason Smith to replace him.

Albert began his struggles when Haley came in and had him lose 30-40 pounds. He then went on to struggle in 2009 and play average in 2010.

He's been an above average tackle in 2011 & 2012.

Did the weight loss help? Maybe. But let's not act like Albert didn't show he was on his way to becoming a premier left tackle before Haley got his hands on him. I would even say that he almost ruined him.

He didnt have a great rookie season. He played decent for a rookie but a lot of his success is attributed to running a pistol offense where thigpen was basically throwing quickly to his first read from the shotgun. When they moved to a conventional offense, it was clear Albert struggled with his technique. the idea that he was on his way to greatness in his rookie season is completely wrong. Unless your suggestion is to run a gimmick offense forever.

The weight loss was a great move. Albert has become one of the better run blockers in the league because he can get upfield, and his strength in the draft was foot quickness, which he can use more now. His strength isn't playing as he did as a rookie, where he was basically throwing his body run absent any technique.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Bullshit.

Read the entire thread before calling bullshit.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

Irony is nonstop. "We" sure as **** were not talking about moving Albert to guard, and "we" sure as **** were not talking about drafting Okung.

The above is a completely invented narrative for many of the posters on this board, including the vast majority of posters whom I interact with on this site. Hell, we've largely lambasted any suggestions of moving Albert, much like we used to mock individuals who decried the play of Carr.

No, it isn't invented. Nobody in their right mind would have called for Albert to be franchised. He was never crucified as cassel was, but he wasn't popular on the board either. I know, because I had to set a lot of people straight preaching patience on the guy because he was changing positions.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by FRCDFED

Is it wrong to want Haley back?

I am not an expert, but he did have some qualities that I like in a HC.


I don't know if his obvious weaknesses were due to Cassel and Pioli.

[FRCDFED]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

Which is exactly why you lose credibility. Three years ago, we were talking about drafting Russell Okung and moving Albert to Guard because he just wasn't good enough to play left tackle. Today, he's a top tier left tackle and people want to franchise tag him and are enraged at the thought that Pioli may choose to not re-sign him. He improved dramatically. It's ridiculous to suggest he's not significantly better than he was as a rookie.


Bowe didn't take the game seriously enough to even show up to camp in shape. He had to cheat to cut weight. Under Haley, he willingly began committing to the game, training on his off-time with Fitzgerald, and hitting peak physical condition. Those things never happened before Haley got there. He was a good receiver before Haley, but his work ethic and focus improved dramatically.



And they never showed up to camp out of shape. Albert played a different brand of football and it's turned him into a top-notch left tackle. Hali lost 10-20 lbs and became a pro bowl OLB. Dorsey never showed up to camp out of shape again. Name one player that got worse because Haley asked them to cut weight? CP threw a shit fit that Haley would dare ask Albert to play at such an ungodly low weight. Guess who was wrong on that.


You don't think that has anything to do with the idea that our QB was so bad that our entire offense had to revolve around Jamaal Charles, a player who only played 1 game in 2011? Or the fact that they had to play 4 games under Tyler Palko (a QB that was only there because Pioli refused to listen to guys like Haley who were screaming for QB depth?)



We've acknowledged he had a piece of shit GM who dictated a shitty QB decision. We've acknowledged that no team can win these days without a franchise QB (let alone a good QB). I have acknowledged Haley's shortcomings. I don't know if he would become a better coach with a better GM. But the level of blame that gets put on his shoulder is ridiculous, as is the refusal to give him credit where credit is due. This place is exaggeration planet. They exaggerate how bad people they hate are, and exaggerate how great people they like are. Haley is no exception.

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