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Old 01-03-2013, 10:37 PM  
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The One-Point Safety

For those of you who didn't watch the Fiesta Bowl, this happened:



Here's the rule:

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"On a try attempt… a Team A fumble that is recovered in the Team B end zone by Team B. RULING: Safety, award Team A one point (Rules 8-3-1 and 8-5-1)."
That's really all I've got. I've just never heard of such a thing, and it's kind of fascinating. Here's a more thorough discussion:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon...afety/1808299/
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Old 01-04-2013, 01:01 AM   #16
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i assume this is an NCAA only rule? I've been watching NFL games for 35 years now and can't ever recall a 1pt safety. Seems like kind of a stupid rule...
I haven't either.

As far as I know the ball is dead because I've seen players try to return a blocked FG but all it is is a waste of energy.
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Old 01-04-2013, 01:08 AM   #17
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For those of you who didn't watch the Fiesta Bowl, this happened:



Here's the rule:



That's really all I've got. I've just never heard of such a thing, and it's kind of fascinating. Here's a more thorough discussion:

http://www.usatoday.com/story/gameon...afety/1808299/
I thought it was relevant that after the ball was blocked, it was recovered in the field of play by Kansas State who then ran the ball into the end zoner his own power and tossed the ball to a teammate, who was tackled in the end zone.

Its not clear, but I assume the "safety" part only came into effect because the recovering team took the ball into EZ and was then tackled. If the recovery and tackle were both in the EZ, I don't think its a safety.
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Old 01-04-2013, 06:22 AM   #18
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Saw this live. Even after watching it, and listening to the explanation that followed, and pacing the floor all night with sweats and tremors, the one- point safety is still very frightening and incomprehensible. Someone post a clip of some Chiefs incompetence to shock me back into reality, please.
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Old 01-04-2013, 07:57 AM   #19
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I thought it was relevant that after the ball was blocked, it was recovered in the field of play by Kansas State who then ran the ball into the end zoner his own power and tossed the ball to a teammate, who was tackled in the end zone.

Its not clear, but I assume the "safety" part only came into effect because the recovering team took the ball into EZ and was then tackled. If the recovery and tackle were both in the EZ, I don't think its a safety.
This is true. The orginal post with the rule is only a partial rule. The deciding factor in a safety/touchback situation is the "force" which put the ball in to the endzone. If the "force" is the kick it is a touchback as is most common. ( Blocked kick rolls in to the endzone and is recovered or goes out of bounds.) In the K-state game, K-state gained possesion in the field of play and then took the ball into the endzone. They were the force that put the ball into the endzone therefore it is a safety. If you are the force that puts the ball into your own endzone you must either advance it out or it is a safety. This is the same parameters that are used throughout the game to determine a safety/touchback. "What is the force that put the ball in to the endzone?"
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Old 01-04-2013, 08:01 AM   #20
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I found this part pretty crazy as well

And yes, this has happened before, during a 2004 game between Texas and Texas A&M. After returning a blocked punt for a touchdown, Texas had its point-after try blocked by the Aggies. A&M then went through the same rigmarole as Kansas State, giving the Longhorns the one-point safety.

What's really amazing: ESPN's Brad Nessler called that game in 2004 and Thursday's Fiesta Bowl. What are the odds?
Somewhere around 100 to 1, probably more.
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Old 01-04-2013, 08:03 AM   #21
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Can the kicking team recover a blocked kick and run it in for 2 pts?
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Old 01-04-2013, 08:09 AM   #22
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That was the craziest thing I've seen in football. I never knew that one.
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Old 01-04-2013, 08:09 AM   #23
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So if Oregon would of recovered it, would it of been a two pts or a touchdown?
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Old 01-04-2013, 08:10 AM   #24
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So if Oregon would of recovered it, would it of been a two pts or a touchdown?
It would have been a blocked FG.
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Old 01-04-2013, 08:22 AM   #25
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Can the kicking team recover a blocked kick and run it in for 2 pts?
You can't advance a blocked kick. The defense would need to gain possession and then fumble.z
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Old 01-04-2013, 08:39 AM   #26
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I haven't either.

As far as I know the ball is dead because I've seen players try to return a blocked FG but all it is is a waste of energy.
Yes, in the NFL, as soon as the kick is blocked or the defense gains possession of the ball on an extra point attempt, the play is dead.
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Old 01-04-2013, 08:42 AM   #27
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You can't advance a blocked kick. The defense would need to gain possession and then fumble.z
I've actually seen that happen, KSU vs Texas in 2010.

After the 1 point safety happened I told my wife I've had to have seen everything by now.
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Old 01-04-2013, 08:43 AM   #28
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You can't advance a blocked kick. The defense would need to gain possession and then fumble.z
He did gain possession and lateraled backwards...
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Old 01-04-2013, 08:53 AM   #29
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i assume this is an NCAA only rule? I've been watching NFL games for 35 years now and can't ever recall a 1pt safety. Seems like kind of a stupid rule...
It's a rule in the NFL as well, though it has never happened. It's a little weirder because the defense can't ever have possession of the ball, so it has to be blocked, then knocked into the EZ by a defensive player, then recovered by a defensive player in the EZ.
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Old 01-04-2013, 09:03 AM   #30
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