MLB Hall of Fame class 2013. Will no one get in?

['Hamas' Jenkins]

The Hall of Fame is a farce, anyway. I'd bet that they actually enjoy this controversy, as it actually gives people reason to talk about them.

It is absolutely preposterous that Craig Biggio was named on nearly twice as many ballots as Bonds, and I absolutely detest Barry Bonds.

Craig Biggio was a very good ballplayer who stayed around long past his usefulness to garner a few milestones. I don't see how anyone could make a credible argument that he is a HOF. He contributed fewer wins than Larry Walker over more years, and Walker isn't a HOF'er or even thought to broach the discussion.

Biggio has a huge asset for his candidacy: he doesn't look imposing. In an era where everyone is suspect, look who isn't: Maddux, Biggio, Griffey, Jeter, and a few others. That's not to say it's fair to accuse them, but to point out the hypocrisy of the witch hunt that goes on with this.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The Hall of Fame is a farce, anyway. I'd bet that they actually enjoy this controversy, as it actually gives people reason to talk about them.

It is absolutely preposterous that Craig Biggio was named on nearly twice as many ballots as Bonds, and I absolutely detest Barry Bonds.

Craig Biggio was a very good ballplayer who stayed around long past his usefulness to garner a few milestones. I don't see how anyone could make a credible argument that he is a HOF. He contributed fewer wins than Larry Walker over more years, and Walker isn't a HOF'er or even thought to broach the discussion.

Biggio has a huge asset for his candidacy: he doesn't look imposing. In an era where everyone is suspect, look who isn't: Maddux, Biggio, Griffey, Jeter, and a few others. That's not to say it's fair to accuse them, but to point out the hypocrisy of the witch hunt that goes on with this.

If it is a Museum then Bonds, Clemens, Rose and so on should be in.
If it is a shrine then they need to kick some out. They can't have it both ways.

[Red Dawg]

Originally Posted by Chief Roundup

If it is a Museum then Bonds, Clemens, Rose and so on should be in.
If it is a shrine then they need to kick some out. They can't have it both ways.

Shut the hell up. A shrine my ass. Ruth and Cobb were known hooligans and countless others in the hall are not perfect choir boys. Its a type of sport reward not the Nobel peace prize.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

Shut the hell up. A shrine my ass. Ruth and Cobb were known hooligans and countless others in the hall are not perfect choir boys. Its a type of sport reward not the Nobel peace prize.

WTF? I don't think it should be a shrine. But that seems to be what they are trying to treat it like considering this year was the best hitter in the history of baseball and one of the winningest cy young winner and neither can get it. And may never.
Since they call the place in Cooperstown The Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum. They should treat it like a Museum.

[Deberg_1990]

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

Shut the hell up. A shrine my ass. Ruth and Cobb were known hooligans and countless others in the hall are not perfect choir boys. Its a type of sport reward not the Nobel peace prize.

It doesnt matter what you do or did off the field. The Roid Boys and Rose dont get in because what they did affected the integrity of the game.

[KC_Connection]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

It doesnt matter what you do or did off the field. The Roid Boys and Rose dont get in because what they did affected the integrity of the game.

But how do you know which players used steroids and which players didn't use steroids in this HOF vote? For that matter, how do you know which players used them throughout baseball history? And why is one performance enhancer (steroids) considered differently than other performance enhancers (like say amphetamines)? And if you believe that all steroid users shouldn't make it in, should the HOF investigate and remove every player in the Hall that they find to have used any kind of steroid (or any kind of performance enhancer)?

[mnchiefsguy]

Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

It doesnt matter what you do or did off the field. The Roid Boys and Rose dont get in because what they did affected the integrity of the game.

So they will be kicking out Gaylord Perry here pretty soon right? He used spitballs, sandpaper, etc. to scuff the ball and cheat. That is cheating just like steroids.

The baseball writers knew this crap was going on the whole time, but they said nothing about it at the time. The whole lot of them are hypocrites.

[blaise]

Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

Shut the hell up. A shrine my ass. Ruth and Cobb were known hooligans and countless others in the hall are not perfect choir boys. Its a type of sport reward not the Nobel peace prize.

It says right in the voting requirements that character should be considered. They don't normally consider off the field issues as character issues, but it's reasonable to say that steroid use is a character issue.

[BigRedChief]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

In an era where everyone is suspect, look who isn't: Maddux, Biggio, Griffey, Jeter, and a few others. That's not to say it's fair to accuse them, but to point out the hypocrisy of the witch hunt that goes on with this.

I think Griffey Jr., Chipper and Jeter escaped the steroid label because their body type never changed and their #'s were consistent through out their careers.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

The Hall of Fame is a farce, anyway. I'd bet that they actually enjoy this controversy, as it actually gives people reason to talk about them.

It is absolutely preposterous that Craig Biggio was named on nearly twice as many ballots as Bonds, and I absolutely detest Barry Bonds.

Craig Biggio was a very good ballplayer who stayed around long past his usefulness to garner a few milestones. I don't see how anyone could make a credible argument that he is a HOF. He contributed fewer wins than Larry Walker over more years, and Walker isn't a HOF'er or even thought to broach the discussion.

Biggio has a huge asset for his candidacy: he doesn't look imposing. In an era where everyone is suspect, look who isn't: Maddux, Biggio, Griffey, Jeter, and a few others. That's not to say it's fair to accuse them, but to point out the hypocrisy of the witch hunt that goes on with this.

My biggest beef with Biggio is that his hall candidacy is bolstered by the last 5-6 years of his career, when he racked up approximately 1/5 of his career hits despite hurting his team more often than not. Especially his last two seasons, when he was Jeff Francoeur-esque but kept playing every day to chase 3000 hits.

Without the 3000 hits, he isn't a Hall of Fame guy, period.