Chiefs Luke Joeckel may pique Chiefs’ interest at No. 1 overall - Page 22

**DaneMcCloud** · 01-08-2013, 07:59 PM

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For as long as Luke Joeckel remains on the draft board in April, he’s likely to be seriously considered by whichever team happens to be on the clock.

The Chiefs, by virtue of holding the No. 1 overall pick, will have first crack at the standout Texas A&M offensive tackle. Joeckel finalized his plan Tuesday to enter the 2013 NFL Draft, according to multiple reports.

The 6-foot-6 Joeckel played a key role in Johnny Manziel’s sudden takeover of college football this season. Despite playing against elite SEC talent, week in and week out, Joeckel turned in a dominant 2012 and is considered to be, for now, the top available offensive lineman for the coming draft.

How strongly Kansas City leans toward Joeckel depends on a number of factors, not the least of which being Branden Albert’s pending free agency.

The Chiefs face the usual options with Albert set to hit the market: re-sign him, let him walk or slap the franchise tag on him. That third choice would cost the Chiefs just shy of $10 million, but it’s hard to see them allowing their starting left tackle to walk.

The variable that could push them toward that money-saving decision is Joeckel. If the Chiefs convince themselves in the coming couple of weeks that Joeckel is capable of filling Albert’s shoes, that swap may make sense for new head coach Andy Reid. Kansas City also might be intrigued by the prospect of Joeckel at left tackle and Albert at guard — the Chiefs need to address their interior line, too, now that guard Ryan Lilja has decided to retire.

Unfortunately for Reid and the Chiefs, the top of this year’s draft class does not have an obvious No. 1 pick — unlike the 2012 draft, where the Colts had their choice between Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III. Given Kansas City’s obvious needs (quarterback, receiver and linebacker, for starters), that lack of a clear superstar has to be even more frustrating.

Which is why Joeckel has a shot to go No. 1, should Albert hit free agency and a huge K.C. roster hole suddenly meshes with the available draft talent.

Even if Joeckel slides past the Chiefs, though, he will find no shortage of teams interested in his talent — so much so, in a few cases, that the rest of the top 5 (Jacksonville, Oakland, Philadelphia and Detroit) might be able to swing a draft-day trade contingent on Joeckel’s availability.

But any of that quartet also could make a case for Joeckel early. Both the Jaguars and Raiders had huge issues at right tackle; the Eagles struggled all over their line (save for Evan Mathis), and are still awaiting Jason Peters’ return from an Achilles injury; and the Lions might be shorthanded, even with 2012 first-rounder Riley Reiff in tow, if Jeff Backus retires and Gosder Cherilus leaves in free agency.

All those teams will have to wait to see what the Chiefs do as a 2013 draft opener. Given Joeckel’s potential as an NFL lineman and the lack of elite prospects, a match could be made at No. 1 overall.

Frankie · 01-10-2013, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by silver5liter

You're crazy

No I'm not. See below.

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Originally Posted by SNR

Ah. Too fat for you. That's cool. I respect the Omaha camp.

Didn't say too fat. Said wide around the waist. apples and oranges. Exhibit A:

And the face does not do enough to compensate for it.

Bewbies · 01-10-2013, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

I would, because I don't consider Geno by far the best QB in this draft. So far he hasn't put a big distance between himself and the second best. I would be happy with the second best (Tyler Wilson?) IF for our little "sacrifice" we get somebody's arm and a leg in terms of present and future draft picks.

San Diego used this logic to grab Leaf.

I don't care how big the difference is, or how little it is, we want THE BEST one.

Frankie · 01-10-2013, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dayze

Mitch Dufus said today on the radio he'd trade teh #1 for Matt Flynn and some other picks.

shit you not.

Well, if Reid did this and got Seattle's 2nd and next year's 1st for the switch, I would trust his judgement. I would take it as Flynn being better than everybody here thinks he is. But that's a very very big IF because Seattle wouldn't wanna do this trade.

Frankie · 01-10-2013, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Bewbies

San Diego used this logic to grab Leaf.

I don't care how big the difference is, or how little it is, we want THE BEST one.

Oh please do not compare Geno Smith to Peyton Manning. EVER!

If PM were in this draft I'd be totally on board with and aggressively protective of keeping the first pick.

duncan_idaho · 01-10-2013, 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

Well, if Reid did this and got Seattle's 2nd and next year's 1st for the switch, I would trust his judgement. I would take it as Flynn being better than everybody here thinks he is. But that's a very very big IF because Seattle wouldn't wanna do this trade.

Trading No. 1 overall for No. 58 and what will likely be a high 20s pick in 2014 and Matt Flynn?

I think that would make me vomit.

Look at it this way: Matt Cassel was more proven (full season vs. 3 games) and had much more RAW value at the time he was traded for than Flynn currently does. His stock hadn't been dinged by being beaten out by a short rookie who was a mid-round pick. Cassel was worth a second-round pick.

No. 1 overall is worth more than what Holthus or you are suggesting here, even in a draft with no clear-cut No. 1 guy.

KC has beaten the "trade for someone else's backup because he looked good in a few games and might be great here!" approach to f***ing death. Time to try something new.

Random thought: If Joeckel is viewed as the top guy and you think you can build interest in him for other teams in the top 5, out-and-out denying interest in him would be a mistake on the Chiefs' part.

Hey, I'll go Madden-esque for a second... maybe JAX decides it needs another franchise tackle like Tony Boselli. Offer them No. 1 for No. 2 and, say, Blaine Gabbert (or a 4th round pick, which should be about the difference in value).

Frankie · 01-10-2013, 01:12 PM

duncan,

I actually thought about Seattle's draft position after I posted my post. You are right. Their 1 this year is essentially a high 2 and their 2 a high 3. And their 1 next year will likely be like a high 2. Given those parameters I would want even more from them then the aforementioned 1, 1 and 2. But that would make it even more impossible for Seattle to accept this trade. So the whole point is moot.

However, if Reid thinks highly enough of Flynn to part with say our 3rd for him I would be willing to differ to his judgement and evaluation knowing full well that it is better than any on this board including myself. I know it would almost look like Piolli/Cassel.2, but I would take Reid's eval of QBs ten times before Piolli's. Especially if it's backed up by someone like Dorsey's.

My only condition as a fan is Reid stays open minded about drafting another QB this year or next, if Flynn shows signs of not being THE GUY. His "Leaving egos at the door" comment is somewhat encouraging in that department.

**the Talking Can** · 01-10-2013, 01:14 PM

flynn is a bigger fraud than cassel...jesus

pull your heads out

Frankie · 01-10-2013, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can

flynn is a bigger fraud than cassel...jesus

pull your heads out

I guess you missed all the "IFs" in the argument.

Jerm · 01-10-2013, 01:31 PM

Kiper is on the Joeckel bandwagon...just said that's who we should pick #1. Him or Moore...

What a goof.

**the Talking Can** · 01-10-2013, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

I guess you missed all the "IFs" in the argument.

there's no 'if' in "flynn is a fraud"

duncan_idaho · 01-10-2013, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

duncan,

I actually thought about Seattle's draft position after I posted my post. You are right. Their 1 this year is essentially a high 2 and their 2 a high 3. And their 1 next year will likely be like a high 2. Given those parameters I would want even more from them then the aforementioned 1, 1 and 2. But that would make it even more impossible for Seattle to accept this trade. So the whole point is moot.

However, if Reid thinks highly enough of Flynn to part with say our 3rd for him I would be willing to differ to his judgement and evaluation knowing full well that it is better than any on this board including myself. I know it would almost look like Piolli/Cassel.2, but I would take Reid's eval of QBs ten times before Piolli's. Especially if it's backed up by someone like Dorsey's.

My only condition as a fan is Reid stays open minded about drafting another QB this year or next, if Flynn shows signs of not being THE GUY. His "Leaving egos at the door" comment is somewhat encouraging in that department.

Bringing in Flynn as the placeholder is not a problem as long as they draft a QB early. I don't think he can be had for a 3rd round pick, so it's probably all moot.

Bewbies · 01-10-2013, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Frankie

Oh please do not compare Geno Smith to Peyton Manning. EVER!

If PM were in this draft I'd be totally on board with and aggressively protective of keeping the first pick.

Not comparing Geno to Manning numbnuts. Comparing how close Leaf/Manning were viewed with the idea that the QB's this year are close in talent.

Also, just to be clear, I said we must take the best QB, I didn't say anything about Geno. (Although I believe he is the best this year)

Bewbies · 01-10-2013, 02:36 PM

Frankie is one of those guys that only sees a good enough QB when he knows we can't get em.

ILChief · 01-10-2013, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jerm

Kiper is on the Joeckel bandwagon...just said that's who we should pick #1. Him or Moore...

What a goof.

He's a moran

ct · 01-10-2013, 03:08 PM

At this point i'm really hoping team(s) fall in love with joeckel and want to trade up and get him. i'm full in favor of moving back a few spots and taking geno/tyler later.

This is all pre-combine adjustments, and IF they were looking like a slide down the top10 on draft day.

01-08-2013, 07:59 PM
DaneMcCloud Supporter Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Hollywood, CA Casino cash: $10053648	Luke Joeckel may pique Chiefs’ interest at No. 1 overall http://nfl.si.com/2013/01/08/luke-jo...-no-1-overall/ For as long as Luke Joeckel remains on the draft board in April, he’s likely to be seriously considered by whichever team happens to be on the clock. The Chiefs, by virtue of holding the No. 1 overall pick, will have first crack at the standout Texas A&M offensive tackle. Joeckel finalized his plan Tuesday to enter the 2013 NFL Draft, according to multiple reports. The 6-foot-6 Joeckel played a key role in Johnny Manziel’s sudden takeover of college football this season. Despite playing against elite SEC talent, week in and week out, Joeckel turned in a dominant 2012 and is considered to be, for now, the top available offensive lineman for the coming draft. How strongly Kansas City leans toward Joeckel depends on a number of factors, not the least of which being Branden Albert’s pending free agency. The Chiefs face the usual options with Albert set to hit the market: re-sign him, let him walk or slap the franchise tag on him. That third choice would cost the Chiefs just shy of $10 million, but it’s hard to see them allowing their starting left tackle to walk. The variable that could push them toward that money-saving decision is Joeckel. If the Chiefs convince themselves in the coming couple of weeks that Joeckel is capable of filling Albert’s shoes, that swap may make sense for new head coach Andy Reid. Kansas City also might be intrigued by the prospect of Joeckel at left tackle and Albert at guard — the Chiefs need to address their interior line, too, now that guard Ryan Lilja has decided to retire. Unfortunately for Reid and the Chiefs, the top of this year’s draft class does not have an obvious No. 1 pick — unlike the 2012 draft, where the Colts had their choice between Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III. Given Kansas City’s obvious needs (quarterback, receiver and linebacker, for starters), that lack of a clear superstar has to be even more frustrating. Which is why Joeckel has a shot to go No. 1, should Albert hit free agency and a huge K.C. roster hole suddenly meshes with the available draft talent. Even if Joeckel slides past the Chiefs, though, he will find no shortage of teams interested in his talent — so much so, in a few cases, that the rest of the top 5 (Jacksonville, Oakland, Philadelphia and Detroit) might be able to swing a draft-day trade contingent on Joeckel’s availability. But any of that quartet also could make a case for Joeckel early. Both the Jaguars and Raiders had huge issues at right tackle; the Eagles struggled all over their line (save for Evan Mathis), and are still awaiting Jason Peters’ return from an Achilles injury; and the Lions might be shorthanded, even with 2012 first-rounder Riley Reiff in tow, if Jeff Backus retires and Gosder Cherilus leaves in free agency. All those teams will have to wait to see what the Chiefs do as a 2013 draft opener. Given Joeckel’s potential as an NFL lineman and the lack of elite prospects, a match could be made at No. 1 overall.
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Frankie Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Casino cash: $10004900	duncan, I actually thought about Seattle's draft position after I posted my post. You are right. Their 1 this year is essentially a high 2 and their 2 a high 3. And their 1 next year will likely be like a high 2. Given those parameters I would want even more from them then the aforementioned 1, 1 and 2. But that would make it even more impossible for Seattle to accept this trade. So the whole point is moot. However, if Reid thinks highly enough of Flynn to part with say our 3rd for him I would be willing to differ to his judgement and evaluation knowing full well that it is better than any on this board including myself. I know it would almost look like Piolli/Cassel.2, but I would take Reid's eval of QBs ten times before Piolli's. Especially if it's backed up by someone like Dorsey's. My only condition as a fan is Reid stays open minded about drafting another QB this year or next, if Flynn shows signs of not being THE GUY. His "Leaving egos at the door" comment is somewhat encouraging in that department.
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ct u b illian Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: DooDah Casino cash: $10009436	At this point i'm really hoping team(s) fall in love with joeckel and want to trade up and get him. i'm full in favor of moving back a few spots and taking geno/tyler later. This is all pre-combine adjustments, and IF they were looking like a slide down the top10 on draft day.
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