1 gap 3-4; how do you think it will shake out?

[Fat Elvis]

Originally Posted by O.city

Either way we're gonna have to get more pass rush from the dl. I think Poe is a good fit in the 1 gap, with his physicality and ability.

Is there any way Bailey could play DE full time in the 1 gap?

Bailey sucks in the 2 gap, but I think he would shine in the 1 gap with his speed and strength.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Bailey sucks in the 2 gap, but I think he would shine in the 1 gap with his speed and strength.

Hell...make him a backup Will. Then maybe he could get up to speed before contact.

He's so slow out of his stance that his speed never becomes a factor. Lineman engage him and wash him out before he can get moving.

[beach tribe]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Bailey sucks in the 2 gap, but I think he would shine in the 1 gap with his speed and strength.

We're just gonna have to see what these guys can do in a different scheme, I unlike others are not ready to give up on some of the more talented guys on the roster, like bailey, based on the cluster**** that was going on last season with what seems like zero direction.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by beach tribe

We're just gonna have to see what these guys can do in a different scheme, I unlike others are not ready to give up on some of the more talented guys on the roster, like bailey, based on the cluster**** that was going on last season with what seems like zero direction.

Bailey has no quickness, get off or pass rush moves.

He's probably gonna be cut.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by GoWalrus

Bailey has no quickness, get off or pass rush moves.

He's probably gonna be cut.

I don't know if he's cut but at this point, it wouldn't surprise me. Really thought he was going to progress this year and then, nothing. I mean, nothing.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Fat Elvis

Bailey sucks in the 2 gap, but I think he would shine in the 1 gap with his speed and strength.

I'm probably one of the biggest Bailey homers here and fully admit it is time to move on IMO.

I really thought that having Poe and Houston next to him in sub pckgs (whilst playing the 3 tech) would free him and enable him to do some great stuff. He didn't and extremely regressed this year. If you want to keep him on the roster as depth or even hope that he turns into an average player, fine. He was horrible this year after several decent flashes last year against Pitt, NE, and GB.

He needs to be upgraded.

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Sorter

I'm probably one of the biggest Bailey homers here and fully admit it is time to move on IMO.

I really thought that having Poe and Houston next to him in sub pckgs (whilst playing the 3 tech) would free him and enable him to do some great stuff. He didn't and extremely regressed this year. If you want to keep him on the roster as depth or even hope that he turns into an average player, fine. He was horrible this year after several decent flashes last year against Pitt, NE, and GB.

He needs to be upgraded.

You could make that statement about the entire defense.

These guys were so poorly coached, so fundamentally unsound that I'm giving everyone on this team a complete pass.

Bailey was primarily an attacking defensive end at Miami out of a 43. He was a legit 6'3", 285 lbs. at the combine with superb measurables. He led the Canes in sacks and TFL for two straight years and was a 1st Team All-Conference his senior year.

He was jammed into a two gap 34 or a 2-4-5 third down subpackage with shit coaching.

Two gap 34's require a decision by the linemen to choose the gap that they are going to hold right off the snap versus a 1 gap which is a presnap determined, upfield penetrating style that forces the offensive lineman to actively engage the defender versus the two gap which means to have the defender hold the o-linemen during their movements.

Bailey, Powe and Poe should all be better suited for a one gap style versus a two gap.

In fact, with the personel that we have, especially Poe and Berry, a 46 type of defense would actually be ideal. The only thing we're really missing from that is a big, press coverage corner. Someone just like Xavier Rhodes or David Amerson - one of which should be available with our first pick in the second round.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

You could make that statement about the entire defense.

These guys were so poorly coached, so fundamentally unsound that I'm giving everyone on this team a complete pass.

Bailey was primarily an attacking defensive end at Miami out of a 43. He was a legit 6'3", 285 lbs. at the combine with superb measurables. He led the Canes in sacks and TFL for two straight years and was a 1st Team All-Conference his senior year.

He was jammed into a two gap 34 or a 2-4-5 third down subpackage with shit coaching.

Two gap 34's require a decision by the linemen to choose the gap that they are going to hold right off the snap versus a 1 gap which is a presnap determined, upfield penetrating style that forces the offensive lineman to actively engage the defender versus the two gap which means to have the defender hold the o-linemen during their movements.

Bailey, Powe and Poe should all be better suited for a one gap style versus a two gap.

In fact, with the personel that we have, especially Poe and Berry, a 46 type of defense would actually be ideal. The only thing we're really missing from that is a big, press coverage corner. Someone just like Xavier Rhodes or David Amerson - one of which should be available with our first pick in the second round.

I'm with you. We just don't know what we have in some of these players, especially young guys like Bailey. So much of D-line play is about intensity, and these guys played soft as shit. And I've said this before, but when you spend almost all your time learning 2-gap, there's not much room for teaching you how to play 1-gap principles.

I don't know what we have in Bailey, but I'd like to see how he responds to better coaching and full time commitment to 1-gap.

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

You could make that statement about the entire defense.

These guys were so poorly coached, so fundamentally unsound that I'm giving everyone on this team a complete pass.

Bailey was primarily an attacking defensive end at Miami out of a 43. He was a legit 6'3", 285 lbs. at the combine with superb measurables. He led the Canes in sacks and TFL for two straight years and was a 1st Team All-Conference his senior year.

He was jammed into a two gap 34 or a 2-4-5 third down subpackage with shit coaching.

Two gap 34's require a decision by the linemen to choose the gap that they are going to hold right off the snap versus a 1 gap which is a presnap determined, upfield penetrating style that forces the offensive lineman to actively engage the defender versus the two gap which means to have the defender hold the o-linemen during their movements.

Bailey, Powe and Poe should all be better suited for a one gap style versus a two gap.

In fact, with the personel that we have, especially Poe and Berry, a 46 type of defense would actually be ideal. The only thing we're really missing from that is a big, press coverage corner. Someone just like Xavier Rhodes or David Amerson - one of which should be available with our first pick in the second round.

I agree. However, Bailey has been playing 1-gap principles in sub packages this year and didn't do much with his reps. I hope I'm wrong as I would really love to see the guy pan out. At thisnpoint though, I think it would be wise to use a 2nd or 3rd on Hunt from SMU depending on how the draft shakes out.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Sorter

I agree. However, Bailey has been playing 1-gap principles in sub packages this year and didn't do much with his reps. I hope I'm wrong as I would really love to see the guy pan out. At thisnpoint though, I think it would be wise to use a 2nd or 3rd on Hunt from SMU depending on how the draft shakes out.

Yeah, but being a young guy, do you think Bailey's ever had the right training to play 1-gap? I would have to imagine that in his time with KC, the majority of his time was spent learning read-and-react 2-gap principles. Might look like a different layer if you coach him to be in attack mode at all times.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Sorter

I agree. However, Bailey has been playing 1-gap principles in sub packages this year and didn't do much with his reps. I hope I'm wrong as I would really love to see the guy pan out. At thisnpoint though, I think it would be wise to use a 2nd or 3rd on Hunt from SMU depending on how the draft shakes out.

Clark's going to draft himself

[Sorter]

Originally Posted by PGM

Clark's going to draft himself

It will be epic. Kiper's head will literally explode on air.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Originally Posted by Sorter

It will be epic. Kiper's head will literally explode on air.

That or his hair devours him, McShay, and Boomer.