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[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by 300 Bowler

Spanos fired Marty after a 14-2 season because A.J. Smith didn't like Marty.

Since Marty was such a problem, I'm assuming the Chargers must have gone to several Super Bowls since then. Right?

Wait, what? They didn't?

Norv Turner never took them to the promised land?

That's why you're so bitter. The Chargers SUCK. They had a golden opportunity to win several Super Bowls, but they decided to suck instead, and now their window has closed.

Marty's LEGACY is choking in the playoffs.

He's not unlucky.

He's a TERRIBLE postseason coach.

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Marty's LEGACY is choking in the playoffs.

He's not unlucky.

He's a TERRIBLE postseason coach.

Go do a little Google research on THE DRIVE and THE FUMBLE from Marty's days in Cleveland. Those were nothing other than bad luck, no matter how much you desperately want to deny it.

And as Bo's Pelini just pointed out, it wasn't bad coaching on Marty's part that cost the Chargers the playoff game in 2007 when Marlon McCree intercepted a pass on 4th down, tried to return it, and then fumbled it back to New England. It was a stupid play by the Chargers' safety, and bad luck for Schottenheimer. All McCree had to do was knock down the pass, and the Chargers would have won the game. Instead, he turned the ball back over to the Patriots, and they marched down the field and won the game.

I'm not saying that Marty has NEVER choked in the postseason. He obviously has. But to say that he choked in the postseason EVERY TIME is demonstrably wrong.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by 300 Bowler

Go do a little Google research on THE DRIVE and THE FUMBLE from Marty's days in Cleveland. Those were nothing other than bad luck, no matter how much you desperately want to deny it.

And as Bo's Pelini just pointed out, it wasn't bad coaching on Marty's part that cost the Chargers the playoff game in 2007 when Marlon McCree intercepted a pass on 4th down, tried to return it, and then fumbled it back to New England. It was a stupid play by the Chargers' safety, and bad luck for Schottenheimer. All McCree had to do was knock down the pass, and the Chargers would have won the game. Instead, he turned the ball back over to the Patriots, and they marched down the field and won the game.

I'm not saying that Marty has NEVER choked in the postseason. He obviously has. But to say that he choked in the postseason EVERY TIME is demonstrably wrong.

Funny how some people just seem to have bad luck over and over and over and over

[Lex Luthor]

Originally Posted by Brock

Funny how some people just seem to have bad luck over and over and over and over

Sure, he had some bad luck. And later on, he made some bad decisions in the playoffs. But part of the problem was that Schottenheimer was one of the greatest regular season coaches ever. He coached up teams with less talent, and they wound up losing to more talented teams in the playoffs.

It's easy to look at his 5-13 playoff record and have a knee jerk reaction that says he must have sucked as a playoff coach. But nobody can take away the fact that Schottenheimer was a damn good coach, no matter how much the haters want to hate.

[GoChargers]

Originally Posted by 300 Bowler

Sure, he had some bad luck. And later on, he made some bad decisions in the playoffs. But part of the problem was that Schottenheimer was one of the greatest regular season coaches ever. He coached up teams with less talent, and they wound up losing to more talented teams in the playoffs.

Bullshit. His Chargers teams were loaded with talent, and he still failed in the same exact ways as he did in Kansas City and Cleveland. You can have all the talent in the world, but it doesn't matter if you can't coach them properly - this is just as true in the playoffs as it is in the regular season.

Marty was a great regular season coach and a playoff choker, end of story. Unfortunately for him, once a team becomes good, they start being judged by what they do in the postseason, not the regular season.

[Brock]

Originally Posted by 300 Bowler

Sure, he had some bad luck. And later on, he made some bad decisions in the playoffs. But part of the problem was that Schottenheimer was one of the greatest regular season coaches ever. He coached up teams with less talent, and they wound up losing to more talented teams in the playoffs.

It's easy to look at his 5-13 playoff record and have a knee jerk reaction that says he must have sucked as a playoff coach. But nobody can take away the fact that Schottenheimer was a damn good coach, no matter how much the haters want to hate.

I mostly agree, but that kind of a record isn't born of coincidence.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by 300 Bowler

Sure, he had some bad luck. And later on, he made some bad decisions in the playoffs. But part of the problem was that Schottenheimer was one of the greatest regular season coaches ever. He coached up teams with less talent, and they wound up losing to more talented teams in the playoffs.

Some of his best teams were LOADED with talent. This idea that he turned a bunch of slapdicks into contenders is a myth.

Originally Posted by 300 Bowler

It's easy to look at his 5-13 playoff record and have a knee jerk reaction that says he must have sucked as a playoff coach. But nobody can take away the fact that Schottenheimer was a damn good coach, no matter how much the haters want to hate.

Knee Jerk reaction? Hardly.

Watching him make the same postseason mistakes over and over and over again leads one to only one conclusion - he was a horrible postseason coach.

That's not hating, that's accepting reality.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by 300 Bowler

I'm not saying that Marty has NEVER choked in the postseason. He obviously has. But to say that he choked in the postseason EVERY TIME is demonstrably wrong.

5-13 postseason record.

I think it's safe to say he sucks in the playoffs.

[1ChiefsDan]

Originally Posted by 300 Bowler

Go do a little Google research on THE DRIVE and THE FUMBLE from Marty's days in Cleveland. Those were nothing other than bad luck, no matter how much you desperately want to deny it.

And as Bo's Pelini just pointed out, it wasn't bad coaching on Marty's part that cost the Chargers the playoff game in 2007 when Marlon McCree intercepted a pass on 4th down, tried to return it, and then fumbled it back to New England. It was a stupid play by the Chargers' safety, and bad luck for Schottenheimer. All McCree had to do was knock down the pass, and the Chargers would have won the game. Instead, he turned the ball back over to the Patriots, and they marched down the field and won the game.

I'm not saying that Marty has NEVER choked in the postseason. He obviously has. But to say that he choked in the postseason EVERY TIME is demonstrably wrong.

Yes. Those individual plays were bad luck. The problem with Marty (and Herm and thank goodness John Fox) is that they play not to lose. Once you get a lead go conservative. If they would keep playing to WIN those "unlucky" plays don't matter.

It absolutely was Marty's fault he had such a piss poor post season record.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by 300 Bowler

Go do a little Google research on THE DRIVE and THE FUMBLE from Marty's days in Cleveland. Those were nothing other than bad luck, no matter how much you desperately want to deny it.

And as Bo's Pelini just pointed out, it wasn't bad coaching on Marty's part that cost the Chargers the playoff game in 2007 when Marlon McCree intercepted a pass on 4th down, tried to return it, and then fumbled it back to New England. It was a stupid play by the Chargers' safety, and bad luck for Schottenheimer. All McCree had to do was knock down the pass, and the Chargers would have won the game. Instead, he turned the ball back over to the Patriots, and they marched down the field and won the game.

I'm not saying that Marty has NEVER choked in the postseason. He obviously has. But to say that he choked in the postseason EVERY TIME is demonstrably wrong.

I WATCHED the Drive and the Fumble.

I watched Lin Elliott miss a kick and Tony Gonzales get called for a PI penalty that never actually happened.

I watched Marlon McCree fumble and I watched Nate Kaeding miss a kick not once but three times in the same game.

When a team is CONSTANTLY in position to lose because of ONE PLAY, that's on the coach. Period.