If not #1, where?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by alnorth

They took a swing, and missed. If you don't even try, you'll be fired.

Really? Where's the proof of that? And don't say Pioli because he sealed his fate the day he sent the #36 overall pick to the Patriots for Cassel.

Do you guys think this is some kind of game? That not choosing a QB in the first round is a fire-able offense?

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Really? Where's the proof of that? And don't say ***** because he sealed his fate the day he sent the #36 overall pick to the Patriots for Cassel.

Do you guys think this is some kind of game? That not choosing a QB in the first round is a fire-able offense?

Not winning is a fireable offense.

Finding and developing your QB is the key to winning.

As someone who has argued this point many times in the past, i find it odd that you feel the need to play contrarian lately.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Not winning is a fireable offense.

Finding and developing your QB is the key to winning.

As someone who has argued this point many times in the past, i find it odd that you feel the need to play contrarian lately.

I'm playing "contrarian" lately because I believe that it's equally possible that Dorsey and Reid either trade for veteran QB (Flynn or Smith), trade back and accumulate picks and draft a QB in the later rounds, as it is that they take a QB #1 overall.

Yet that possibility, when mentioned, is met with disgust, anger and outright hostility, which I also find ridiculous considering none of these guys have been fully evaluated yet.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm playing "contrarian" lately because I believe that it's equally possible that Dorsey and Reid either trade for veteran QB (Flynn or Smith), trade back and accumulate picks and draft a QB in the later rounds, as it is that they take a QB #1 overall.

Yet that possibility, when mentioned, is met with disgust, anger and outright hostility, which I also find ridiculous considering none of these guys have been fully evaluated yet.

I think they might do this too, Dane. My point is that it will be a major mistake.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by DeezNutz

I think they might do this too, Dane. My point is that it will be a major mistake.

Why?

If Dorsey and Reid were to trade for a Flynn or Smith, they'd have an immediate, capable starter, which would allow them to accumulate picks and address serious issues of need. It would also give them breathing room in order to draft a QB in the later rounds and develop him or wait until the 2014 draft.

Just to clarify, I'm not stating that this is my preference. I'm stating that it's an option that either hasn't been discussed or met with such disdain that people are unwilling to discuss.

And again, given the public statements by Dorsey and Reid, I think it's just as likely to happen as taking a QB #1 overall.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Why?

If Dorsey and Reid were to trade for a Flynn or Smith, they'd have an immediate, capable starter, which would allow them to accumulate picks and address serious issues of need. It would also give them breathing room in order to draft a QB in the later rounds and develop him or wait until the 2014 draft.

Just to clarify, I'm not stating that this is my preference. I'm stating that it's an option that either hasn't been discussed or met with such disdain that people are unwilling to discuss.

And again, given the public statements by Dorsey and Reid, I think it's just as likely to happen as taking a QB #1 overall.

Why would you expect it, as Chiefs fans, to NOT be met with Disdain?

Was Cassel not enough?

Grbac?

Bono or whatever other Back up trash QB we've had?

Why are we suppose to be open minded and optimistic about taking on a QB that other teams didn't find worthy of being their starter? HAVE WE NOT DONE THAT ENOUGH?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

Why would you expect it, as Chiefs fans, to NOT be met with Disdain?

I don't know, Dude. Knowing what I know of KC fans (outside of this forum and actually living in KC), I don't think they'd care one damn bit.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Why?

If Dorsey and Reid were to trade for a Flynn or Smith, they'd have an immediate, capable starter, which would allow them to accumulate picks and address serious issues of need. It would also give them breathing room in order to draft a QB in the later rounds and develop him or wait until the 2014 draft.

Just to clarify, I'm not stating that this is my preference. I'm stating that it's an option that either hasn't been discussed or met with such disdain that people are unwilling to discuss.

And again, given the public statements by Dorsey and Reid, I think it's just as likely to happen as taking a QB #1 overall.

Based on the whole 2 games he's played in the NFL?

Sorry man, you know I like you and totally respect your takes.

But this is just dumb.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Based on the whole 2 games he's played in the NFL?

Sorry man, you know I like you and totally respect your takes.

But this is just dumb.

Yeah, you're right. I misspoke on Flynn and his two games.

Still, I do believe that it will be an option they'll address internally. They have to look at each and every scenario.

[DeezNutz]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Why?

If Dorsey and Reid were to trade for a Flynn or Smith, they'd have an immediate, capable starter, which would allow them to accumulate picks and address serious issues of need. It would also give them breathing room in order to draft a QB in the later rounds and develop him or wait until the 2014 draft.

Just to clarify, I'm not stating that this is my preference. I'm stating that it's an option that either hasn't been discussed or met with such disdain that people are unwilling to discuss.

And again, given the public statements by Dorsey and Reid, I think it's just as likely to happen as taking a QB #1 overall.

Acquiring someone else's trash will doom this franchise to more years of mediocrity. Year after year, we will know with absolute certainty that there is no hope of winning a SB.

Tannehill went #8 overall last year. Every single QB in this draft is a lesser prospect than this? Don't buy it.

There is a franchise QB in this draft. Somewhere. Chiefs have to find it.

If Reid believes this is some overlooked prospect whom he can get in the second, fine. I'll give him the initial benefit of the doubt despite my protests. But he better be right.

(By the way, I goofed: Gabbert was selected #10 overall in the first. Got my wires crossed.)

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Why?

If Dorsey and Reid were to trade for a Flynn or Smith, they'd have an immediate, capable starter, which would allow them to accumulate picks and address serious issues of need. It would also give them breathing room in order to draft a QB in the later rounds and develop him or wait until the 2014 draft.

Just to clarify, I'm not stating that this is my preference. I'm stating that it's an option that either hasn't been discussed or met with such disdain that people are unwilling to discuss.

And again, given the public statements by Dorsey and Reid, I think it's just as likely to happen as taking a QB #1 overall.

Here's an entirely undisdainful (yes, I will make that a real word) explanation of why that strategy is bogus.

The Chiefs need a great QB. That we can all agree on. The purpose of acquiring a younger vet like Flynn is to save draft value at that #1 overall pick and to get the team in a better position either later in the 2013 draft or at any time in the 2014 draft to simply find the right guy that they need. It's basically saying, "Boy, getting this first down is pretty risky. We need to punt so we save on field position, protect our limited game manager QB, and try again next possession, ideally when our defense makes a stop."

Now, when it's 4th and 20 at your own 10 yard line, then that's a pretty smart strategy. You might get lucky and get a defensive TD even, but if you don't you're at least keeping yourself alive to fight another day. And that's kind of the position the Chiefs were in last year in the first round. We played conservative and stayed where we were, and all of a sudden the draft's top 3 QBs were gone. We said, "Well, shitpiss. It doesn't do any good to draft Brandon ****ing Weeden at 11 overall. That's just stupid. Let's take a non QB here."

The problem with doing that this year is there IS no reason to play field position. We have the #1 overall pick. That's the highest position you can get to find your top QB. It doesn't do any good to wait until 2014 when we're not going to have as high a vantage point or decision to pick the right guy. If this were football, we'd be down 3 TDs in the 3rd quarter and have the ball 3rd and 1 from the opponent's 20 yard line. Instead of treating it like 4 down territory, the play being called is the equivalent of a kneel down so we can bring on the field goal kicker and "save the points". In this metaphor, those precious points are "draft value." They're worthless because of the situation. Down 3 TDs. We need TDs (QBs) or at the very least a ****ing first down. It does no good to play for points here.

And yes, it WOULD be one thing if next year had like, 5 Andrew Lucks so there was a pretty good ****ing chance we'd be able to pick one of them and not have to lose out like we did last year. But there's not. There's ****ing Teddy Bridgewater, a much worse prospect than either Geno OR Wilson in my opinion. Call is speculation and assuming the unknowable, but for crying out loud, think about it. You're punting the ball away for TEDDY BRIDGEWATER? WTF makes the Dorsey or Reid think their QB will be there in 2014?

And we can keep playing this game. "Well, what if he IS there in 2014?" Okay, but what if he's ****ing not, which is a very likely scenario?

Ever hear the phrase "one in the hand is worth two in the bush?" That describes this situation perfectly. If we draft a QB at 1, we're getting the best QB in a draft class. There will be other better QBs in future drafts. But we don't know when those will come around. And it's ****ing useless to speculate when that's going to happen.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by SNR

Ever hear the phrase "one in the hand is worth two in the bush?" That describes this situation perfectly. If we draft a QB at 1, we're getting the best QB in a draft class. There will be other better QBs in future drafts. But we don't know when those will come around. And it's ****ing useless to speculate when that's going to happen.

This is true. But it's also true that none of us have any idea which path Dorsey and Reid will choose at this point in time.

If the mandate from Clark Hunt was "Find me a Franchise QB THIS year", I'd imagine they'll take someone at #1 overall. If the mandate was "Find me a Franchise QB in the next three years", they have options.

None of us know. Dorsey, Reid and Hunt have all stated publicly that choosing a QB #1 overall isn't a mandate. While some people choose to believe they're bluffing, it's also just as likely that they're telling the truth.

I will refrain from making a judgement until after the decision has been announced.

[BiscayneBLVD]

Originally Posted by SNR

Here's an entirely undisdainful (yes, I will make that a real word) explanation of why that strategy is bogus.

The Chiefs need a great QB. That we can all agree on. The purpose of acquiring a younger vet like Flynn is to save draft value at that #1 overall pick and to get the team in a better position either later in the 2013 draft or at any time in the 2014 draft to simply find the right guy that they need. It's basically saying, "Boy, getting this first down is pretty risky. We need to punt so we save on field position, protect our limited game manager QB, and try again next possession, ideally when our defense makes a stop."

Now, when it's 4th and 20 at your own 10 yard line, then that's a pretty smart strategy. You might get lucky and get a defensive TD even, but if you don't you're at least keeping yourself alive to fight another day. And that's kind of the position the Chiefs were in last year in the first round. We played conservative and stayed where we were, and all of a sudden the draft's top 3 QBs were gone. We said, "Well, shitpiss. It doesn't do any good to draft Brandon ****ing Weeden at 11 overall. That's just stupid. Let's take a non QB here."

The problem with doing that this year is there IS no reason to play field position. We have the #1 overall pick. That's the highest position you can get to find your top QB. It doesn't do any good to wait until 2014 when we're not going to have as high a vantage point or decision to pick the right guy. If this were football, we'd be down 3 TDs in the 3rd quarter and have the ball 3rd and 1 from the opponent's 20 yard line. Instead of treating it like 4 down territory, the play being called is the equivalent of a kneel down so we can bring on the field goal kicker and "save the points". In this metaphor, those precious points are "draft value." They're worthless because of the situation. Down 3 TDs. We need TDs (QBs) or at the very least a ****ing first down. It does no good to play for points here.

And yes, it WOULD be one thing if next year had like, 5 Andrew Lucks so there was a pretty good ****ing chance we'd be able to pick one of them and not have to lose out like we did last year. But there's not. There's ****ing Teddy Bridgewater, a much worse prospect than either Geno OR Wilson in my opinion. Call is speculation and assuming the unknowable, but for crying out loud, think about it. You're punting the ball away for TEDDY BRIDGEWATER? WTF makes the Dorsey or Reid think their QB will be there in 2014?

And we can keep playing this game. "Well, what if he IS there in 2014?" Okay, but what if he's ****ing not, which is a very likely scenario?

Ever hear the phrase "one in the hand is worth two in the bush?" That describes this situation perfectly. If we draft a QB at 1, we're getting the best QB in a draft class. There will be other better QBs in future drafts. But we don't know when those will come around. And it's ****ing useless to speculate when that's going to happen.

Lmao if you were a GM your team would get the #1 pick every year, and still you wouldn't win more than 2 games, smh. I actually thought you were making some sense until you said you wouldn't draft Bridgewater. You do realize that Teddy Bridgewater would be the best thing to happen to the Chiefs right?

For one the offense he's running in louisville is very similar to Reid's, in terms of its philosophy. Second, I hope you know he would have gone 1st overall in this year's draft. Btw, he's far ahead of RGIII, in terms of being a pocket passing; he's ahead of both Luck and RG when they were sophmores.

Tbh it'd be best if the chiefs didn't waste their picks on a QB this year (@LEAST not the #1 overall) and waited next year. That class is going to be STACKED with quality Quarterbacks.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'm playing "contrarian" lately because I believe that it's equally possible that Dorsey and Reid either trade for veteran QB (Flynn or Smith), trade back and accumulate picks and draft a QB in the later rounds, as it is that they take a QB #1 overall.

Yet that possibility, when mentioned, is met with disgust, anger and outright hostility, which I also find ridiculous considering none of these guys have been fully evaluated yet.

You telling me that going into camp with Matt Flynn, Zac Dysert and Ricky Stanzi wouldn't be a huge disapointment?

Some other team tried that.....the Cardinals.

There is a reason why it's met with disgust and anger. The idea of Matt Flynn as our starting QB is kind of a disgusting thought.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

You telling me that going into camp with Matt Flynn, Zac Dysert and Ricky Stanzi wouldn't be a huge disapointment?

Some other team tried that.....the Cardinals.

There is a reason why it's met with disgust and anger. The idea of Matt Flynn as our starting QB is kind of a disgusting thought.

I think that Andy Reid and John Dorsey are going to have five years to prove that they know what they're doing.

If Andy Reid chooses to trade for a veteran QB, I personally would prefer to wait to see the results before claiming it as a failure.