Chris Weinke (IMG Academy) Talks with Danny Parkins about upcoming QB class.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BossChief

I might be inclined to retract my top ten comment and push it back to top 15 as it sits...with work on his lower body, there is no reason to think he can't jump up one group and be in the op ten because I don't think there is a big difference between his arm and Rodgers'.

Show me te guys on that list that CLEARLY have a stronger arm than Geno.

When Geno isn't using his legs correctly - these guys are all harder throwers than Geno:

Tannehill
Brady
Flacco
Weeden
Rothlisberger
Luck
Gabbert
Eli
RG3
Cutler
Stafford
Rodgers
Newton
Freeman
Kaepernick

I think you're mixing his potential with what he actually does.

He has the talent to put himself above 1/2 the guys on that list, but when he's arm throwing and not driving with his legs, he's just another Bradford.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

When Geno isn't using his legs correctly - these guys are all harder throwers than Geno:

Tannehill
Brady
Flacco
Weeden
Rothlisberger
Luck
Gabbert
Eli
RG3
Cutler
Stafford
Rodgers
Newton
Freeman
Kaepernick

I think you're mixing his potential with what he actually does.

He has the talent to put himself above 1/2 the guys on that list, but when he's arm throwing and not driving with his legs, he's just another Bradford.

Those things (throwing without proper mechanics from top to bottom) can be said about nearly every single quarterback in the NFL. I think it's fair to say that without tweaks, he is top half of the league in arm strength. Now, should we break down his accuracy so we can find out where he comes in as an overall thrower?

I probably overrate him there, too.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Those things can be said about nearly every single quarterback in the NFL. I think it's fair to say that without tweaks, he is top half of the league in arm strength. Now, should we break down his accuracy so we can find out where he comes in as an overall thrower?

I probably overrate him there, too.

When he flips his hips and doesn't drive? No, he certainly isn't.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by O.city

When he flips his hips and doesn't drive? No, he certainly isn't.

Again, this can be said of any quarterback that gets lazy with the fundamentals and mechanics.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Again, this can be said of any quarterback that gets lazy with the fundamentals and mechanics.

No, it can't.


The elite arm guys, Stafford, Cutler etc, can be absolutely awful mechanically and still spin it.


Now if you want to talk about accuracy and timing, thats a different story.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by O.city

No, it can't.


The elite arm guys, Stafford, Cutler etc, can be absolutely awful mechanically and still spin it.


Now if you want to talk about accuracy and timing, thats a different story.

Show me where I said he could get into the group with Stafford and Cutler...I think you mistook what I said. I thought I was clear that even with tweaks he will be just outside that group.

What I did say was that you can say that any quarterback in the NFL losses velocity when they don't use proper mechanics.

That's why a pass rush is so vital to today's defenses...if you can make quarterbacks uncomfortable, you can make him rush his throws and therefore take some velocity and accuracy off the all.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Show me where I said he could get into the group with Stafford and Cutler...I think you mistook what I said. I thought I was clear that even with tweaks he will be just outside that group.

What I did say was that you can say that any quarterback in the NFL losses velocity when they don't use proper mechanics.

That's why a pass rush is so vital to today's defenses...if you can make quarterbacks uncomfortable, you can make him rush his throws and therefore take some velocity and accuracy off the all.

No where am I saying he can get into that group or that you said he can. He can't. He doesn't have the physical gifts those guys do.

I'm just saying those guys can break down mechanics and still spin it. They lose accuracy and a few have questionable accuracy to begin with.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by O.city

The elite arm guys, Stafford, Cutler etc, can be absolutely awful mechanically and still spin it.

To an opposing player.

I'm pretty sick of hearing about Cutler. If he didn't have an elite arm, he wouldn't even be a starter in the league.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

To an opposing player.

I'm pretty sick of hearing about Cutler. If he didn't have an elite arm, he wouldn't even be a starter in the league.

Well, thats getting a little apples to oranges.


We aren't talking about accuracy. We are talking about arm strength.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by O.city

No, it can't.


The elite arm guys, Stafford, Cutler etc, can be absolutely awful mechanically and still spin it.


Now if you want to talk about accuracy and timing, thats a different story.

Or Dan Marino the patron saint of bad mechanics who could pass the ball beautifully as if it was on a laser trace.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Those things (throwing without proper mechanics from top to bottom) can be said about nearly every single quarterback in the NFL. I think it's fair to say that without tweaks, he is top half of the league in arm strength. Now, should we break down his accuracy so we can find out where he comes in as an overall thrower?

I probably overrate him there, too.

And I think that's all I said - that when his feet aren't under him, he's got an average arm; Bradford-esqe.

As to his accuracy, I think he's at 8-10 in the league but man that's a hard thing to compare. Coming out of college, Bradford was the most accurate passer I saw in years. I thought he would be a guy that would come into the NFL and be among the top 5 most precise passers out there.

As it turns out, his accuracy is above average, but not elite. Because of that (and some other guys I overrated a little bit), I've started tempering my thoughts on a college QBs accuracy until I see it in action at the next level. I think his is superb, but it's hard to bet much on it.

As a pure thrower, he looks outstanding to me. The question will be how he reacts when the bullets are flying and how he handles teaching, because he does need a little bit.

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And I think that's all I said - that when his feet aren't under him, he's got an average arm; Bradford-esqe.

As to his accuracy, I think he's at 8-10 in the league but man that's a hard thing to compare. Coming out of college, Bradford was the most accurate passer I saw in years. I thought he would be a guy that would come into the NFL and be among the top 5 most precise passers out there.

As it turns out, his accuracy is above average, but not elite. Because of that (and some other guys I overrated a little bit), I've started tempering my thoughts on a college QBs accuracy until I see it in action at the next level. I think his is superb, but it's hard to bet much on it.

As a pure thrower, he looks outstanding to me. The question will be how he reacts when the bullets are flying and how he handles teaching, because he does need a little bit.

I'd love to read a post draft interview where they (Dorsey, Reid) admit that they had Geno #1 all along and that Clark hired a cast of QB specialists to help identify te top guy and make the best effort possible to help him develop his skills.