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RunKC · 02-16-2013, 05:29 PM

No clear quarterback choice for Chiefs in the draft
By ADAM TEICHER
Kansas City Star
Published Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013, at 3:36 p.m.
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Pros and cons
Matt Barkley, 6-2, 230, USC: Superb leadership skills, the first one at practice or meetings and the last one to leave. But his arm strength is suspect. May be a system fit.

Mike Glennon, 6-7, 220, North Carolina State: Strong arm. He’s easily able to make all the necessary throws. But a lack of mobility could be a problem against a strong pass rush.

Ryan Nassib, 6-2, 225, Syracuse: Good mobility and throws well on the run. But he’s a late-bloomer who might need more seasoning before he’s ready for the NFL.

Geno Smith, 6-3, 210, West Virginia: Has best ability of all the top prospects. Was durable in college, but he’s not an imposing specimen. So how will he hold up in the NFL?

Tyler Wilson, 6-2, 220, Arkansas: Will stand in and take a hit but still make an accurate throw. But he’s short for an ideal NFL quarterback and has small hands, which could lead to fumbling problems.

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The Chiefs spent the last several days setting their draft board in preparation for this week’s NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. The process merely confirmed for new general manager John Dorsey that when it comes to quarterbacks, their homework is only starting.

Opinions on the top available quarterbacks in this year’s draft are that varied.

“There is no quarterback where personnel guys can definitely say, ‘He’s a first-round pick,’ ” Dorsey said. “There were so many inconsistencies in the collective group. There was not one guy that stood up and said, ‘I’m the guy in the position this year.’ There really wasn’t one clear-cut guy.

“There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws. There are so many different variables that there are a lot of people all over the place on naming the top four or five guys and who those guys would be.”

The Chiefs aren’t the only team having trouble sorting through the top quarterback prospects. From the natural ability of West Virginia’s Geno Smith to the smooth leadership skills of USC’s Matt Barkley to the willingness to take a hit in the face of a strong pass rush of Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson, there are plenty of things to like.

There are reasons to pause just the same. Smith faltered late last fall against better competition. Barkley and Wilson had disappointing, injury-marred senior seasons.

This is a particular problem for teams like the Chiefs, who have a gaping need at quarterback. Dorsey didn’t say so specifically, but he didn’t sound like the Chiefs were planning to take a quarterback with the first pick in this year’s draft.

More likely, the Chiefs will select a quarterback later in the draft — if they take one at all.

Dorsey said both he and coach Andy Reid would be in attendance at the workouts of most, if not all, of the top available quarterbacks.

“I think Andy is a really good evaluator of quarterbacks,” Dorsey said. “I want him and I to go to as many quarterback workouts as possible and actually set our own up.”

The quarterback rankings for last year’s draft were determined almost a year in advance. Stanford’s Andrew Luck was a consensus choice to be the top player selected as soon as the 2011 draft was finished. Baylor’s Robert Griffin III came on as a senior to win the Heisman Trophy and make the race interesting, but in the end, Luck was selected first by Indianapolis. Griffin was taken with the next pick by Washington.

“Last year was an easy evaluation,” draft analyst Mel Kiper said. “Automatically, you put Andrew Luck and RG III up there.”

This year, quarterback ratings are scattered. Some teams like Smith, but others have different favorites, like Barkley, Wilson, North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon or Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib.

“The year didn’t go the way Barkley and the USC Trojans hoped,” Kiper said. “He began the year number one on my big board. You saw what happened with USC. They lost four games with Barkley at quarterback and lost a couple more when he was hurt. They didn’t have a signature win all year. They dropped down the rankings from number one and he dropped down the rankings from number one.

“Geno Smith started out great. It looked like after Barkley struggled you could lock Geno Smith in. Then he has a disappointing second half of the season, so there are issues in terms of what type of starting quarterback he can be. Glennon was hot for a while even though he had a subpar supporting cast, and he didn’t play great (in the bowl game) against Vanderbilt and didn’t have a wow-you-over Senior Bowl week.

“Things didn’t fall into place at Arkansas, and that affected Tyler Wilson. The wheels came off for all the quarterbacks at some point (last) year. Things just didn’t fall right to allow them to maximize their ability. That’s why the teams are right now in the predicament they are, trying to figure this whole quarterback thing out and not overdraft or push a guy up when he’s not deserving.”

Kiper doesn’t have a quarterback rated among his top 25 players. In fact, in his latest mock draft, Kiper doesn’t have a single quarterback being selected in the first round.

“It’s just a tough evaluation, trying to figure out which quarterbacks in this draft, if any, will be great starting quarterbacks,” he said.

Dorsey said he expects at least two quarterbacks to be drafted in the first round because so many teams have a need. It’s a matter, though, of which ones.

Things could solidify in the next couple of months. The draft doesn’t begin until April 25. Meanwhile, the combine begins this week, followed by pro days on college campuses and then individual workouts.

To Dorsey, at least, personal interviews might be the most important part of the postseason draft process. He said a quarterback can improve his draft standing with a series of strong interviews.

“The most impressive interview I’ve ever had in the last 25 years of doing this? Russell Wilson,” said Dorsey, referring to the quarterback drafted by Seattle last year in the third round. “Wasn’t even close. You could feel that guy as a person, how strong he was, how intellectually deep he was, how mentally tough he was, that he had the charisma to lead other players. I always try to look at kids like I’m in the locker room and I’m a teammate. It was easy to see this guy leading a team.

“A quarterback wants to come across in the interview process as confident, as having a vast understanding and knowledge of defenses, as being capable of leading a group of men. That’s what you’ve got to convey to the teams. On film, his physical traits and skills will come out. But you have to over the next few weeks impress on teams the character of his soul, his ability to lead a franchise.”

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**DaneMcCloud** · 02-17-2013, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

I wouldn't trade our pick for Cam Newton.

Speechless

Dr. Johnny Fever · 02-17-2013, 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by NJChiefsFan

Come on now my friend. It's not as simple as that and I believe you know it. Football minds make mistakes, mistakes that some fans have pointed out before they happen. I'm sure there are baseball decisions you fully disagree with when they happen. It's part of being a fan, and more so when you are on a message board.

Most people have not stated Geno or bust. Most prefer him. You will not find someone who wants Geno more than SNR, but he has stated many times that he is not out if we don't take Geno. He just believes we need a QB.

Honestly I think way too many people here are married to Geno/QB #1 or bust. If the Royals changed leadership they'd get my full approval and a good chance to prove themselves right or wrong over a couple years. No shit.

I get that football is a different game because of the immediacy rookies can make an impact. I'm still of the mind that if Reid/Dorsey don't take a QB in round 1 it's because they truly don't feel one is worthy, they'll find one elsewhere and they'll get it fixed.... and mind you I don't even like the Reid hiring. I seriously doubt he'll be any better than anyone here before him.

But for now I'll give him the benefit of the doubt along with Dorsey. Whatever they choose is ok with me. They know better than any of us do. If in a couple/three years we're still in the same position... then fire away.

HolyHat · 02-17-2013, 01:42 AM

Cam isn't even the best from his class. So lets not jump on the "he's the best in this class" bandwagon.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-17-2013, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by CoMoChief

Geno is 6'3 210? Yikes...

That can't be right though...

You're right: He may measure smaller.

**BossChief** · 02-17-2013, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Speechless

You would trade the top pick for Cam Newton?

Maybe in madden...

keg in kc · 02-17-2013, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Johnny Fever

But of course I want Geno #1 because I, like everyone here, know better than actual professional football minds

We're allowed to have opinions, even if we're not actual professional football minds. And lest we forget, professional football minds are exactly what have given us classics like Tyson Jackson, and Jake Long being selected ahead of Matt Ryan. Being a professional football mind does not make one infallible.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-17-2013, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Pink

Along with 29ints / 15 fumbles, and 13-19 record. No thanks

The dude set the rookie passing record, which was just beaten by Luck.

The Panthers are a very flawed team,yet turned around their season after Hurney was fired,

Do you actually watch NFL games or just look at stats?

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-17-2013, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

You would trade the top pick for Cam Newton?

Maybe in madden...

**** YES

HolyHat · 02-17-2013, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The dude set the rookie passing record, which was just beaten by Luck.

The Panthers are a very flawed team,yet turned around their season after Hurney was fired,

Do you actually watch NFL games or just look at stats?

Yes I've watched every game Cam Newton has ever played, and I've watched every game Andy Dalton has played. If you had a gun to my head and said "choose one" I'd choose Dalton.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-17-2013, 01:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Pink

Cam isn't even the best from his class. So lets not jump on the "he's the best in this class" bandwagon.

You put Cam Newton on the 49ers and not only does he start Day One, he very well may have two Super Bowl appearances in two years, if not two rings.

Again, do any of you ****ers watch the NFL outside of the Chiefs?

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-17-2013, 01:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Pink

Yes I've watched every game Cam Newton has ever played, and I've watched every game Andy Dalton has played. If you had a gun to my head and said "choose one" I'd choose Dalton.

I hope you've been spayed

**BossChief** · 02-17-2013, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You put Cam Newton on the 49ers and not only does he start Day One, he very well may have two Super Bowl appearances in two years, if not two rings.

Again, do any of you ****ers watch the NFL outside of the Chiefs?

That's flat out ridiculous.

HolyHat · 02-17-2013, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You put Cam Newton on the 49ers and not only does he start Day One, he very well may have two Super Bowl appearances in two years, if not two rings.

Again, do any of you ****ers watch the NFL outside of the Chiefs?

I'm telling you, you put Cam on that team and its a different story. He's just not a winner at this level. No brains at all. Hell of a talent, but it's all going to go to waste. Watch

HolyHat · 02-17-2013, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I hope you've been spayed

Yes, just had it done last week actually.

Rugby Thompson · 02-17-2013, 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

You put Cam Newton on the 49ers and not only does he start Day One, he very well may have two Super Bowl appearances in two years, if not two rings.

Again, do any of you ****ers watch the NFL outside of the Chiefs?

no he wouldn't, are you fuccing reeruned?

02-16-2013, 05:29 PM
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $1789611	Dorsey: There is no definite first round QB No clear quarterback choice for Chiefs in the draft By ADAM TEICHER Kansas City Star Published Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013, at 3:36 p.m. 0 CommentsEmailPrintReprints Pros and cons Matt Barkley, 6-2, 230, USC: Superb leadership skills, the first one at practice or meetings and the last one to leave. But his arm strength is suspect. May be a system fit. Mike Glennon, 6-7, 220, North Carolina State: Strong arm. He’s easily able to make all the necessary throws. But a lack of mobility could be a problem against a strong pass rush. Ryan Nassib, 6-2, 225, Syracuse: Good mobility and throws well on the run. But he’s a late-bloomer who might need more seasoning before he’s ready for the NFL. Geno Smith, 6-3, 210, West Virginia: Has best ability of all the top prospects. Was durable in college, but he’s not an imposing specimen. So how will he hold up in the NFL? Tyler Wilson, 6-2, 220, Arkansas: Will stand in and take a hit but still make an accurate throw. But he’s short for an ideal NFL quarterback and has small hands, which could lead to fumbling problems. KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The Chiefs spent the last several days setting their draft board in preparation for this week’s NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. The process merely confirmed for new general manager John Dorsey that when it comes to quarterbacks, their homework is only starting. Opinions on the top available quarterbacks in this year’s draft are that varied. “There is no quarterback where personnel guys can definitely say, ‘He’s a first-round pick,’ ” Dorsey said. “There were so many inconsistencies in the collective group. There was not one guy that stood up and said, ‘I’m the guy in the position this year.’ There really wasn’t one clear-cut guy. “There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws. There are so many different variables that there are a lot of people all over the place on naming the top four or five guys and who those guys would be.” The Chiefs aren’t the only team having trouble sorting through the top quarterback prospects. From the natural ability of West Virginia’s Geno Smith to the smooth leadership skills of USC’s Matt Barkley to the willingness to take a hit in the face of a strong pass rush of Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson, there are plenty of things to like. There are reasons to pause just the same. Smith faltered late last fall against better competition. Barkley and Wilson had disappointing, injury-marred senior seasons. This is a particular problem for teams like the Chiefs, who have a gaping need at quarterback. Dorsey didn’t say so specifically, but he didn’t sound like the Chiefs were planning to take a quarterback with the first pick in this year’s draft. More likely, the Chiefs will select a quarterback later in the draft — if they take one at all. Dorsey said both he and coach Andy Reid would be in attendance at the workouts of most, if not all, of the top available quarterbacks. “I think Andy is a really good evaluator of quarterbacks,” Dorsey said. “I want him and I to go to as many quarterback workouts as possible and actually set our own up.” The quarterback rankings for last year’s draft were determined almost a year in advance. Stanford’s Andrew Luck was a consensus choice to be the top player selected as soon as the 2011 draft was finished. Baylor’s Robert Griffin III came on as a senior to win the Heisman Trophy and make the race interesting, but in the end, Luck was selected first by Indianapolis. Griffin was taken with the next pick by Washington. “Last year was an easy evaluation,” draft analyst Mel Kiper said. “Automatically, you put Andrew Luck and RG III up there.” This year, quarterback ratings are scattered. Some teams like Smith, but others have different favorites, like Barkley, Wilson, North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon or Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib. “The year didn’t go the way Barkley and the USC Trojans hoped,” Kiper said. “He began the year number one on my big board. You saw what happened with USC. They lost four games with Barkley at quarterback and lost a couple more when he was hurt. They didn’t have a signature win all year. They dropped down the rankings from number one and he dropped down the rankings from number one. “Geno Smith started out great. It looked like after Barkley struggled you could lock Geno Smith in. Then he has a disappointing second half of the season, so there are issues in terms of what type of starting quarterback he can be. Glennon was hot for a while even though he had a subpar supporting cast, and he didn’t play great (in the bowl game) against Vanderbilt and didn’t have a wow-you-over Senior Bowl week. “Things didn’t fall into place at Arkansas, and that affected Tyler Wilson. The wheels came off for all the quarterbacks at some point (last) year. Things just didn’t fall right to allow them to maximize their ability. That’s why the teams are right now in the predicament they are, trying to figure this whole quarterback thing out and not overdraft or push a guy up when he’s not deserving.” Kiper doesn’t have a quarterback rated among his top 25 players. In fact, in his latest mock draft, Kiper doesn’t have a single quarterback being selected in the first round. “It’s just a tough evaluation, trying to figure out which quarterbacks in this draft, if any, will be great starting quarterbacks,” he said. Dorsey said he expects at least two quarterbacks to be drafted in the first round because so many teams have a need. It’s a matter, though, of which ones. Things could solidify in the next couple of months. The draft doesn’t begin until April 25. Meanwhile, the combine begins this week, followed by pro days on college campuses and then individual workouts. To Dorsey, at least, personal interviews might be the most important part of the postseason draft process. He said a quarterback can improve his draft standing with a series of strong interviews. “The most impressive interview I’ve ever had in the last 25 years of doing this? Russell Wilson,” said Dorsey, referring to the quarterback drafted by Seattle last year in the third round. “Wasn’t even close. You could feel that guy as a person, how strong he was, how intellectually deep he was, how mentally tough he was, that he had the charisma to lead other players. I always try to look at kids like I’m in the locker room and I’m a teammate. It was easy to see this guy leading a team. “A quarterback wants to come across in the interview process as confident, as having a vast understanding and knowledge of defenses, as being capable of leading a group of men. That’s what you’ve got to convey to the teams. On film, his physical traits and skills will come out. But you have to over the next few weeks impress on teams the character of his soul, his ability to lead a franchise.” Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2013/02/16/267...#storylink=cpy
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