Chiefs Would you trade the no. 1 pick for Cam Newton? - Page 13

HolyHat · 02:51 AM

We ran into this topic late Saturday night in another thread.

I personally don't like Cam at all. He's got a ton of talent, but is an absolute idiot. He can't even learn a full playbook. Newton has put up some big numbers, but they haven't translated into a lot of wins.

He is 13-19 as a starter over 2 years.

58.9% comp | 7,920 yards pass | 40 passing TDs | 29 INTS | 1,447 rush yards | 22 rushing TDs |

Would you give up our no. 1 pick for Cam Newton?

R8RFAN · 02-17-2013, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

Joe Namath threw more INTs than TDs in his career.

So did Plunk

TheGuardian · 02-17-2013, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

that was the dumbest thing I've read in a while...

judging a 23 year old QB who was raw coming out of college by his W/L record

like I said, us Chiefs fans witnessed 1 of our 2 wins against Cam's Panthers and Cam played really well. Threw 3 TD's against 0 picks and ran for 80 yards.

He also ended his season on a 4 game winning streak. All he needs is a coach to adhere to his strengths and he can be every bit as good as a Colin Kaepernick.

Shit, the reason I'm so high on Kaepernick is because his head is screwed on straight. The only flaw Newton has is the fact he may never "get it."

I do think he has the intelligence to get it, he just has to want to. Still, definitely worth the risk of our #1 in 2012 for this hypothetical scenario that would never happen.

Carolina wouldn't trade Cam for anything. Anything short of a QB like Russell Wilson, Andrew Luck or Colin Kaepernick that is. Again, unrealistic.

But yeah...in this unrealistic hypothetical trade scenario, you absolutely trade the #1 in 2012 for Cam Newton.

It's not just about his W/L record. Or the fact that he celebrates a really stupid ass celebration in a blowout. It's both of those things, and the interview with Gruden about how stupid he is. It's the fact that all of the markers on Newton coming out of college about him being a diva and dumb and a headcase are true.

I'm all for taking a QB with the first overall. But Newton is a proven commodity. A proven shitty one.

Hootie · 02-17-2013, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

It's not just about his W/L record. Or the fact that he celebrates a really stupid ass celebration in a blowout. It's both of those things, and the interview with Gruden about how stupid he is. It's the fact that all of the markers on Newton coming out of college about him being a diva and dumb and a headcase are true.

I'm all for taking a QB with the first overall. But Newton is a proven commodity. A proven shitty one.

damn

you sold me

you won

newton sucks

don't know why i didn't see the light til now

crazycoffey · 02-17-2013, 04:33 PM

But but but, we didn't draft Cam!!!!

I don't care if we draft a QB or acquire one, I just want to see wins, trading #1 for cam would be a no brainer

TheGuardian · 02-17-2013, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Peyton's Princess

damn

you sold me

you won

newton sucks

don't know why i didn't see the light til now

Dude you can love him all you want. But the fact is, none of you can give any valid reasons why we'd give up the top pick for him. He hasn't won. He hasn't been some kind of stat extraordinaire. He's got an average QB rating, and he's been exposed as being pretty dumb and self centered. In other words, not only does he appear to not have all the most important physical tools, but he doesn't have the mental ones either.

R8RFAN · 02-17-2013, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by crazycoffey

But but but, we didn't draft Cam!!!!

I don't care if we draft a QB or acquire one, I just want to see wins, trading #1 for cam would be a no brainer

Bottom line... same here, I just want to ****ing win and I don't care who the **** they draft or acquire or trade, I want to win...

R8RFAN · 02-17-2013, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Dude you can love him all you want. But the fact is, none of you can give any valid reasons why we'd give up the top pick for him. He hasn't won. He hasn't been some kind of stat extraordinaire. He's got an average QB rating, and he's been exposed as being pretty dumb and self centered. In other words, not only does he appear to not have all the most important physical tools, but he doesn't have the mental ones either.

Neither has Geno

Hammock Parties · 02-17-2013, 04:39 PM

R8ers, who do you want the Raiders to pick? Say they had the #1 pick.

RyFo18 · 02-17-2013, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TheGuardian

Dude you can love him all you want. But the fact is, none of you can give any valid reasons why we'd give up the top pick for him. He hasn't won. He hasn't been some kind of stat extraordinaire. He's got an average QB rating, and he's been exposed as being pretty dumb and self centered. In other words, not only does he appear to not have all the most important physical tools, but he doesn't have the mental ones either.

1.) NFL Single season rushing TD record for a QB (14). He did this as a rookie.
2.) Threw for 400 yards in his first NFL game (also was the most yards in a single game by a rookie QB).
3.) Most passing yards by a rookie quarterback.
4.) Only player in NFL history to throw for over 4000 yards and rush for over 500.

Hammock Parties · 02-17-2013, 04:52 PM

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2.) Threw for 400 yards in his first NFL game

This is what our fan base is afraid of.

TheGuardian · 02-17-2013, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by RyFo18

1.) NFL Single season rushing TD record for a QB (14). He did this as a rookie.
2.) Threw for 400 yards in his first NFL game (also was the most yards in a single game by a rookie QB).
3.) Most passing yards by a rookie quarterback.
4.) Most rushing yards by a quarterback.
5.) Only player in NFL history to throw for over 4000 yards and rush for over 500.

Average QB rating. TD to int rating. Below average completion %.

Seriously, who gives a shit about rushing yards by a rookie QB? I think that actually goes against him than for him. Three of your "data points" there are related to his rushing.

So thanks for playing and making my point.

**cdcox** · 02-17-2013, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Ebolapox

7/10 Would Trade.

That is, ASSUMING that the front office and Andy Reid have judged that no QB is worth the first pick... Cam is LOADED with talent, but... until he puts the mental part of the game into play, it ISN'T a slam dunk.

I don't think Cam ever will completely master the mental part of the game. In other words, he isn't ever going to understand the game as well as someone like Brady or P. Manning. However, if he would at least work to develop that part of his game and was able to improve to the point where he is half way between where he is now and someone like P. Manning, he'd be elite. He made some strides late in the season last year. I think he'll continue to improve that part of his game, so I agree I'd make the trade.

crazycoffey · 02-17-2013, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by cdcox

I don't think Cam ever will completely master the mental part of the game. In other words, he isn't ever going to understand the game as well as someone like Brady or P. Manning. However, if he would at least work to develop that part of his game and was able to improve to the point where he is half way between where he is now and someone like P. Manning, he'd be elite. He made some strides late in the season last year. I think he'll continue to improve that part of his game, so I agree I'd make the trade.

Andy Reid

keg in kc · 02-17-2013, 05:08 PM

This is kind of like asking me if I'd bang a supermodel if she offered. Whatever my answer is, no supermodel is going to offer.

Molitoth · 02-17-2013, 05:10 PM

I suppose it depends on what the Chiefs are going to do with that #1 pick.

I would take a chance on Geno Smith/Tyler Wilson at #1, but if the chiefs decide to go with any other QB... I'd rather trade the pick for Cam Newton.

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02-17-2013, 02:39 AM
HolyHat No mayonnaise for me today!!! Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Overland Park Casino cash: $10005533	Would you trade the no. 1 pick for Cam Newton? We ran into this topic late Saturday night in another thread. I personally don't like Cam at all. He's got a ton of talent, but is an absolute idiot. He can't even learn a full playbook. Newton has put up some big numbers, but they haven't translated into a lot of wins. He is 13-19 as a starter over 2 years. 58.9% comp \| 7,920 yards pass \| 40 passing TDs \| 29 INTS \| 1,447 rush yards \| 22 rushing TDs \| Would you give up our no. 1 pick for Cam Newton? Last edited by HolyHat; 02-17-2013 at 02:51 AM..
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02-17-2013, 05:10 PM	#195
Molitoth Mahomes Fanboi Join Date: Apr 2004 Casino cash: $194969	I suppose it depends on what the Chiefs are going to do with that #1 pick. I would take a chance on Geno Smith/Tyler Wilson at #1, but if the chiefs decide to go with any other QB... I'd rather trade the pick for Cam Newton.
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