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RunKC · 02-16-2013, 05:29 PM

No clear quarterback choice for Chiefs in the draft
By ADAM TEICHER
Kansas City Star
Published Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013, at 3:36 p.m.
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Pros and cons
Matt Barkley, 6-2, 230, USC: Superb leadership skills, the first one at practice or meetings and the last one to leave. But his arm strength is suspect. May be a system fit.

Mike Glennon, 6-7, 220, North Carolina State: Strong arm. He’s easily able to make all the necessary throws. But a lack of mobility could be a problem against a strong pass rush.

Ryan Nassib, 6-2, 225, Syracuse: Good mobility and throws well on the run. But he’s a late-bloomer who might need more seasoning before he’s ready for the NFL.

Geno Smith, 6-3, 210, West Virginia: Has best ability of all the top prospects. Was durable in college, but he’s not an imposing specimen. So how will he hold up in the NFL?

Tyler Wilson, 6-2, 220, Arkansas: Will stand in and take a hit but still make an accurate throw. But he’s short for an ideal NFL quarterback and has small hands, which could lead to fumbling problems.

KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The Chiefs spent the last several days setting their draft board in preparation for this week’s NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. The process merely confirmed for new general manager John Dorsey that when it comes to quarterbacks, their homework is only starting.

Opinions on the top available quarterbacks in this year’s draft are that varied.

“There is no quarterback where personnel guys can definitely say, ‘He’s a first-round pick,’ ” Dorsey said. “There were so many inconsistencies in the collective group. There was not one guy that stood up and said, ‘I’m the guy in the position this year.’ There really wasn’t one clear-cut guy.

“There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws. There are so many different variables that there are a lot of people all over the place on naming the top four or five guys and who those guys would be.”

The Chiefs aren’t the only team having trouble sorting through the top quarterback prospects. From the natural ability of West Virginia’s Geno Smith to the smooth leadership skills of USC’s Matt Barkley to the willingness to take a hit in the face of a strong pass rush of Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson, there are plenty of things to like.

There are reasons to pause just the same. Smith faltered late last fall against better competition. Barkley and Wilson had disappointing, injury-marred senior seasons.

This is a particular problem for teams like the Chiefs, who have a gaping need at quarterback. Dorsey didn’t say so specifically, but he didn’t sound like the Chiefs were planning to take a quarterback with the first pick in this year’s draft.

More likely, the Chiefs will select a quarterback later in the draft — if they take one at all.

Dorsey said both he and coach Andy Reid would be in attendance at the workouts of most, if not all, of the top available quarterbacks.

“I think Andy is a really good evaluator of quarterbacks,” Dorsey said. “I want him and I to go to as many quarterback workouts as possible and actually set our own up.”

The quarterback rankings for last year’s draft were determined almost a year in advance. Stanford’s Andrew Luck was a consensus choice to be the top player selected as soon as the 2011 draft was finished. Baylor’s Robert Griffin III came on as a senior to win the Heisman Trophy and make the race interesting, but in the end, Luck was selected first by Indianapolis. Griffin was taken with the next pick by Washington.

“Last year was an easy evaluation,” draft analyst Mel Kiper said. “Automatically, you put Andrew Luck and RG III up there.”

This year, quarterback ratings are scattered. Some teams like Smith, but others have different favorites, like Barkley, Wilson, North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon or Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib.

“The year didn’t go the way Barkley and the USC Trojans hoped,” Kiper said. “He began the year number one on my big board. You saw what happened with USC. They lost four games with Barkley at quarterback and lost a couple more when he was hurt. They didn’t have a signature win all year. They dropped down the rankings from number one and he dropped down the rankings from number one.

“Geno Smith started out great. It looked like after Barkley struggled you could lock Geno Smith in. Then he has a disappointing second half of the season, so there are issues in terms of what type of starting quarterback he can be. Glennon was hot for a while even though he had a subpar supporting cast, and he didn’t play great (in the bowl game) against Vanderbilt and didn’t have a wow-you-over Senior Bowl week.

“Things didn’t fall into place at Arkansas, and that affected Tyler Wilson. The wheels came off for all the quarterbacks at some point (last) year. Things just didn’t fall right to allow them to maximize their ability. That’s why the teams are right now in the predicament they are, trying to figure this whole quarterback thing out and not overdraft or push a guy up when he’s not deserving.”

Kiper doesn’t have a quarterback rated among his top 25 players. In fact, in his latest mock draft, Kiper doesn’t have a single quarterback being selected in the first round.

“It’s just a tough evaluation, trying to figure out which quarterbacks in this draft, if any, will be great starting quarterbacks,” he said.

Dorsey said he expects at least two quarterbacks to be drafted in the first round because so many teams have a need. It’s a matter, though, of which ones.

Things could solidify in the next couple of months. The draft doesn’t begin until April 25. Meanwhile, the combine begins this week, followed by pro days on college campuses and then individual workouts.

To Dorsey, at least, personal interviews might be the most important part of the postseason draft process. He said a quarterback can improve his draft standing with a series of strong interviews.

“The most impressive interview I’ve ever had in the last 25 years of doing this? Russell Wilson,” said Dorsey, referring to the quarterback drafted by Seattle last year in the third round. “Wasn’t even close. You could feel that guy as a person, how strong he was, how intellectually deep he was, how mentally tough he was, that he had the charisma to lead other players. I always try to look at kids like I’m in the locker room and I’m a teammate. It was easy to see this guy leading a team.

“A quarterback wants to come across in the interview process as confident, as having a vast understanding and knowledge of defenses, as being capable of leading a group of men. That’s what you’ve got to convey to the teams. On film, his physical traits and skills will come out. But you have to over the next few weeks impress on teams the character of his soul, his ability to lead a franchise.”

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RunKC · 02-17-2013, 04:54 PM

I just don't want us to draft a QB to draft one.

I want our team to be completely confident in the QB we take at 1. Not take one "because we NEED one".

Hammock Parties · 02-17-2013, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC

I just don't want us to draft a QB to draft one.

I want our team to be completely confident in the QB we take at 1. Not take one "because we NEED one".

Once again: Geno has fewer issues than guys like Cam Newton, Alex Smith, etc.

No reason not to take him.

I mean, shit, you think the Seahawks players were completely confident in a 5-foot-10 QB when he was declared starter? **** no.

**RealSNR** · 02-17-2013, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC

I just don't want us to draft a QB to draft one.

And I don't want our team to draft a non-QB just to avoid a perceived reach in value.

There's no non-QB remotely CLOSE to being the franchise player we need at #1 in this class. This would be the biggest wet fart of a #1 pick since Courtney Brown.

WildTurkey · 02-17-2013, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefRocka

Geno will come with questions but his football acumen will win over Dorsey and our beloved Chiefs. Gruden will love this kid when he talks to him.

The ball is in Geno's court. If he's as good as I believe he is, he shouldn't have any problem winning over Dorsey and Reid. I think of Dorsey's statements earlier as a challenge to the qb prospects to show that they are worth that #1 pick.

Hammock Parties · 02-17-2013, 05:00 PM

I'll be straight up ****ing honest. If we don't draft a QB, I'm changing my username to GoGroundhogDay.

**** being a homer in such an event.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 02-17-2013, 05:01 PM

Since 2001, a QB has been taken with the first pick 10 of the 12 drafts.

The other two drafts, the first QB went 3rd overall.

But none of these guys are even worth a R1 grade.

Interesting.

Guys like Weeden, Tannehill, Ponder, Locker, Tebow, Gabbert, Russell, Quinn, Leinart, Losman, Boller, Grossman, Carr, Harrington and Ramsay were worth it.

But Geno Smith, Tyler Wilson and Matt Barkley aren't.

Never mind, that's not interesting.

That's mind-numbingly stupid.

keg in kc · 02-17-2013, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC

I just don't want us to draft a QB to draft one.

I want our team to be completely confident in the QB we take at 1. Not take one "because we NEED one".

It's not just because we need one. It's as much or more because it's the best value. There are no star players at the top of this draft at any position, not just QB. When all else is equal/when player rankings all fall into the same basic range, you have to give an even greater lean than usual towards positional value. So when you don't have a 98 rated anywhere, everyone is in the low 90s, because of positional weight a 90 rated quarterback is more valuable than a 93 rated lineman, for example.

It's the "why the Dolphins were idiots for drafting Jake Long instead of Matt Ryan" rule.

RunKC · 02-17-2013, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SNR

And I don't want our team to draft a non-QB just to avoid a perceived reach in value.

There's no non-QB remotely CLOSE to being the franchise player we need at #1 in this class. This would be the biggest wet fart of a #1 pick since Courtney Brown.

There may not be a QB that is a franchise player either.

If Dorsey thinks that and doesn't like a QB in the first round, this board will immediately turn on him and call him Scott Pioli though.

Which is ****ing reeruned.

Hammock Parties · 02-17-2013, 05:04 PM

Does Geno Smith have large talons?

**RealSNR** · 02-17-2013, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RunKC

There may not be a QB that is a franchise player either.

If Dorsey thinks that and doesn't like a QB in the first round, this board will immediately turn on him and call him Scott ***** though.

Which is ****ing reeruned.

A QB might not be a franchise player but has a chance.

An OLB might not be a franchise player but has a chance.

So we're back to the easiest question in the book. Which would you rather have? A really good QB or a really good OLB?

This is a no-brainer. You're overthinking the **** out of this.

Nightfyre · 02-17-2013, 05:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Since 2001, a QB has been taken with the first pick 10 of the 12 drafts.

The other two drafts, the first QB went 3rd overall.

But none of these guys are even worth a R1 grade.

Interesting.

Guys like Weeden, Tannehill, Ponder, Locker, Tebow, Gabbert, Russell, Quinn, Leinart, Losman, Boller, Grossman, Carr, Harrington and Ramsay were worth it.

But Geno Smith, Tyler Wilson and Matt Barkley aren't.

Never mind, that's not interesting.

That's mind-numbingly stupid.

I agree. Nice post.

Hammock Parties · 02-17-2013, 05:09 PM

Jared Allen is a franchise player, probably headed to the HOF, and hasn't won dick because of the QBs he's associated with.

Funny how that works.

**Mr. Flopnuts** · 02-17-2013, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoWalrus

Does Geno Smith have large talons?

I just can't stop...

**RealSNR** · 02-17-2013, 05:12 PM

If Nick Foles were in this draft would he be the #1 pick?

I'm gonna go ahead and say **** NO.

Find the best QB available for your team. No ****ing excuses. I don't want to hear about draft value and I ESPECIALLY don't want to hear any bullshit about "All the guys were gone." I've heard that excuse every year for the past 5 years.

No more bullshit. No more excuses.

Get the QB or get the **** out

**DeezNutz** · 02-17-2013, 05:14 PM

If no QB than what? Whom the **** are we drafting and why? A LT to replace a high-quality LT that we'd presumably let walk? A DT to supplant the DT we drafted #11 overall last year and who actually showed a few signs of life in an otherwise Belcher season?

Milliner is the only answer that makes remote sense at one with respect to talent and value, and he's so far behind a QB that it isn't even funny.

02-16-2013, 05:29 PM
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $1989611	Dorsey: There is no definite first round QB No clear quarterback choice for Chiefs in the draft By ADAM TEICHER Kansas City Star Published Saturday, Feb. 16, 2013, at 3:36 p.m. 0 CommentsEmailPrintReprints Pros and cons Matt Barkley, 6-2, 230, USC: Superb leadership skills, the first one at practice or meetings and the last one to leave. But his arm strength is suspect. May be a system fit. Mike Glennon, 6-7, 220, North Carolina State: Strong arm. He’s easily able to make all the necessary throws. But a lack of mobility could be a problem against a strong pass rush. Ryan Nassib, 6-2, 225, Syracuse: Good mobility and throws well on the run. But he’s a late-bloomer who might need more seasoning before he’s ready for the NFL. Geno Smith, 6-3, 210, West Virginia: Has best ability of all the top prospects. Was durable in college, but he’s not an imposing specimen. So how will he hold up in the NFL? Tyler Wilson, 6-2, 220, Arkansas: Will stand in and take a hit but still make an accurate throw. But he’s short for an ideal NFL quarterback and has small hands, which could lead to fumbling problems. KANSAS CITY, Mo. — The Chiefs spent the last several days setting their draft board in preparation for this week’s NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis. The process merely confirmed for new general manager John Dorsey that when it comes to quarterbacks, their homework is only starting. Opinions on the top available quarterbacks in this year’s draft are that varied. “There is no quarterback where personnel guys can definitely say, ‘He’s a first-round pick,’ ” Dorsey said. “There were so many inconsistencies in the collective group. There was not one guy that stood up and said, ‘I’m the guy in the position this year.’ There really wasn’t one clear-cut guy. “There are too many technical flaws, scheme flaws. There are so many different variables that there are a lot of people all over the place on naming the top four or five guys and who those guys would be.” The Chiefs aren’t the only team having trouble sorting through the top quarterback prospects. From the natural ability of West Virginia’s Geno Smith to the smooth leadership skills of USC’s Matt Barkley to the willingness to take a hit in the face of a strong pass rush of Arkansas’ Tyler Wilson, there are plenty of things to like. There are reasons to pause just the same. Smith faltered late last fall against better competition. Barkley and Wilson had disappointing, injury-marred senior seasons. This is a particular problem for teams like the Chiefs, who have a gaping need at quarterback. Dorsey didn’t say so specifically, but he didn’t sound like the Chiefs were planning to take a quarterback with the first pick in this year’s draft. More likely, the Chiefs will select a quarterback later in the draft — if they take one at all. Dorsey said both he and coach Andy Reid would be in attendance at the workouts of most, if not all, of the top available quarterbacks. “I think Andy is a really good evaluator of quarterbacks,” Dorsey said. “I want him and I to go to as many quarterback workouts as possible and actually set our own up.” The quarterback rankings for last year’s draft were determined almost a year in advance. Stanford’s Andrew Luck was a consensus choice to be the top player selected as soon as the 2011 draft was finished. Baylor’s Robert Griffin III came on as a senior to win the Heisman Trophy and make the race interesting, but in the end, Luck was selected first by Indianapolis. Griffin was taken with the next pick by Washington. “Last year was an easy evaluation,” draft analyst Mel Kiper said. “Automatically, you put Andrew Luck and RG III up there.” This year, quarterback ratings are scattered. Some teams like Smith, but others have different favorites, like Barkley, Wilson, North Carolina State’s Mike Glennon or Syracuse’s Ryan Nassib. “The year didn’t go the way Barkley and the USC Trojans hoped,” Kiper said. “He began the year number one on my big board. You saw what happened with USC. They lost four games with Barkley at quarterback and lost a couple more when he was hurt. They didn’t have a signature win all year. They dropped down the rankings from number one and he dropped down the rankings from number one. “Geno Smith started out great. It looked like after Barkley struggled you could lock Geno Smith in. Then he has a disappointing second half of the season, so there are issues in terms of what type of starting quarterback he can be. Glennon was hot for a while even though he had a subpar supporting cast, and he didn’t play great (in the bowl game) against Vanderbilt and didn’t have a wow-you-over Senior Bowl week. “Things didn’t fall into place at Arkansas, and that affected Tyler Wilson. The wheels came off for all the quarterbacks at some point (last) year. Things just didn’t fall right to allow them to maximize their ability. That’s why the teams are right now in the predicament they are, trying to figure this whole quarterback thing out and not overdraft or push a guy up when he’s not deserving.” Kiper doesn’t have a quarterback rated among his top 25 players. In fact, in his latest mock draft, Kiper doesn’t have a single quarterback being selected in the first round. “It’s just a tough evaluation, trying to figure out which quarterbacks in this draft, if any, will be great starting quarterbacks,” he said. Dorsey said he expects at least two quarterbacks to be drafted in the first round because so many teams have a need. It’s a matter, though, of which ones. Things could solidify in the next couple of months. The draft doesn’t begin until April 25. Meanwhile, the combine begins this week, followed by pro days on college campuses and then individual workouts. To Dorsey, at least, personal interviews might be the most important part of the postseason draft process. He said a quarterback can improve his draft standing with a series of strong interviews. “The most impressive interview I’ve ever had in the last 25 years of doing this? Russell Wilson,” said Dorsey, referring to the quarterback drafted by Seattle last year in the third round. “Wasn’t even close. You could feel that guy as a person, how strong he was, how intellectually deep he was, how mentally tough he was, that he had the charisma to lead other players. I always try to look at kids like I’m in the locker room and I’m a teammate. It was easy to see this guy leading a team. “A quarterback wants to come across in the interview process as confident, as having a vast understanding and knowledge of defenses, as being capable of leading a group of men. That’s what you’ve got to convey to the teams. On film, his physical traits and skills will come out. But you have to over the next few weeks impress on teams the character of his soul, his ability to lead a franchise.” Read more here: http://www.kansas.com/2013/02/16/267...#storylink=cpy
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Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4440478	I'll be straight up **ing honest. If we don't draft a QB, I'm changing my username to GoGroundhogDay. ** being a homer in such an event. __________________ Chiefs game films
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OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $4811115	Since 2001, a QB has been taken with the first pick 10 of the 12 drafts. The other two drafts, the first QB went 3rd overall. But none of these guys are even worth a R1 grade. Interesting. Guys like Weeden, Tannehill, Ponder, Locker, Tebow, Gabbert, Russell, Quinn, Leinart, Losman, Boller, Grossman, Carr, Harrington and Ramsay were worth it. But Geno Smith, Tyler Wilson and Matt Barkley aren't. Never mind, that's not interesting. That's mind-numbingly stupid.
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Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $4440478	Jared Allen is a franchise player, probably headed to the HOF, and hasn't won dick because of the QBs he's associated with. Funny how that works. __________________ Chiefs game films
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RealSNR Special Teams ACE!!! Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Where the hell is SNR Casino cash: $2090208	If Nick Foles were in this draft would he be the #1 pick? I'm gonna go ahead and say ** NO. Find the best QB available for your team. No ing excuses. I don't want to hear about draft value and I ESPECIALLY don't want to hear any bullshit about "All the guys were gone." I've heard that excuse every year for the past 5 years. No more bullshit. No more excuses. Get the QB or get the ** out
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