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Old 02-15-2013, 09:06 AM  
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2. Jake Long
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Summary: Two years ago Jake Long was playing in a manner that made many hesitate when judging the Miami Dolphins for passing on Matt Ryan; the Falcons’ signal-caller was elite, but so was Jake Long at the “crucial” position of left tackle. Right now Long is just another example of the “what have you done for me lately” attitude in this league, with the Dolphins seemingly set to let him walk rather than pay him mega-bucks to hang around. Remember, two years ago Long was coming off of three consecutive seasons with a PFF grade of +30.0 or greater and was in the conversation as the league’s best left tackle.

Now, after two injury-affected seasons, Long has seen his performances and his league-wide stock slip somewhat to the extent that some may view him as damaged goods. Even so, Long is still a more than capable left tackle and with the knowledge of the “upside” of the first three years of his career it wouldn’t be a surprise to see someone take a risk on him.

Though he didn’t match his prior level this season, his issue was a couple of dodgy games in pass protection that accounted for a combined -7.4 pass protection grade, as he yielded two sacks, four hits, and four hurries to the Colts and Seahawks. If Long’s value is driven low and he can put the injuries behind him, someone could get a steal here. If not, someone could waste a lot of money on a worn down player entering a downward spiral.
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Old 03-11-2013, 12:29 PM   #46
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Old 03-11-2013, 12:42 PM   #47
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Yeah. The reason the Falcons didn't go to the SB wasn't because of Ryan; it was because of their dogshit defense.
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Old 03-11-2013, 12:47 PM   #48
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and you think Matt Ryan is gold? his leash is on and it's getting shorter every season. He's had all world Tony G for years and still hasn't done squat.

not that Long is my choice here, hell, he has major injury issues. I would not like him here.
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and you think Matt Ryan is gold? his leash is on and it's getting shorter every season. He's had all world Tony G for years and still hasn't done squat.

not that Long is my choice here, hell, he has major injury issues. I would not like him here.
I wish we had a QB with an upcoming $100m leash!
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I wish we had a QB with an upcoming $100m leash!
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Old 03-11-2013, 04:53 PM   #52
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Soooo worth it for Miami to go with the "sure thing" over the "risky QB"
Since 2008, Atlanta spent the #3 overall pick on Matt Ryan, traded two second round picks on Sam Baker to protect him (#34, #48 & #103), a second round pick in 2010 for Tony Gonzalez (#50), then traded for Julio Jones to help him even more and spent #27, #59 and #124 in 2011 and #22 and #120 in the 2012 draft.

That's two 1st rounders, four 2nd rounders and three fourth rounders to help out Matt Ryan.

Since acquiring Ryan with the #3 overall pick in 2008, the Atlanta Falcons have won exactly ONE playoff game.

How ANYONE could believe that the Miami Dolphins would have been better off with Matt Ryan as their QB, especially without giving up an absolutely egregious amount of picks in order to surround him with talent, is beyond me.
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Since 2008, Atlanta spent the #3 overall pick on Matt Ryan, traded two second round picks on Sam Baker to protect him (#34, #48 & #103), a second round pick in 2010 for Tony Gonzalez (#50), then traded for Julio Jones to help him even more and spent #27, #59 and #124 in 2011 and #22 and #120 in the 2012 draft.

That's two 1st rounders, four 2nd rounders and three fourth rounders to help out Matt Ryan.

Since acquiring Ryan with the #3 overall pick in 2008, the Atlanta Falcons have won exactly ONE playoff game.

How ANYONE could believe that the Miami Dolphins would have been better off with Matt Ryan as their QB, especially without giving up an absolutely egregious amount of picks in order to surround him with talent, is beyond me.
That's all speculation, man. Just because one team spent that much surrounding him with talent....doesn't mean that the other team would have. And that's not even to say that the Dolphins couldn't have succeeded with Ryan as their QB and not overspending to surround him with talent.
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Old 03-11-2013, 05:09 PM   #55
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That's all speculation, man. Just because one team spent that much surrounding him with talent....doesn't mean that the other team would have. And that's not even to say that the Dolphins couldn't have succeeded with Ryan as their QB and not overspending to surround him with talent.
Speculation? What's the speculation?

Matt Ryan has been an underperforming NFL QB. Period. Like Matt Stafford, he hasn't been a Franchise QB. He's led them to ONE playoff game in 5 seasons, yet the GM has bent over backwards to surround him with talent.

Unless the Falcons win the Super Bowl next year (not likely), it wouldn't surprise me to see them move on to a different QB.

Why pay Matt Ryan $15 million a year when he can't win shit?
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Speculation? What's the speculation?

Matt Ryan has been an underperforming NFL QB. Period. Like Matt Stafford, he hasn't been a Franchise QB. He's led them to ONE playoff game in 5 seasons, yet the GM has bent over backwards to surround him with talent.

Unless the Falcons win the Super Bowl next year (not likely), it wouldn't surprise me to see them move on to a different QB.

Why pay Matt Ryan $15 million a year when he can't win shit?
Matt Ryan is not the problem with the Falcons. The problem with the Falcons is the fact that they build a 14-21 point lead and then the OC takes his foot off of the pedal. The problem is that they put a square RB in a round hole with Turner.
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Since 2008, Atlanta spent the #3 overall pick on Matt Ryan, traded two second round picks on Sam Baker to protect him (#34, #48 & #103), a second round pick in 2010 for Tony Gonzalez (#50), then traded for Julio Jones to help him even more and spent #27, #59 and #124 in 2011 and #22 and #120 in the 2012 draft.

That's two 1st rounders, four 2nd rounders and three fourth rounders to help out Matt Ryan.

Since acquiring Ryan with the #3 overall pick in 2008, the Atlanta Falcons have won exactly ONE playoff game.

How ANYONE could believe that the Miami Dolphins would have been better off with Matt Ryan as their QB, especially without giving up an absolutely egregious amount of picks in order to surround him with talent, is beyond me.
They've also gone 14-2 twice IIRC and every one of their playoff losses have come to a SB participant (Cards, Packers, Giants, 49ers).
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That's all speculation, man. Just because one team spent that much surrounding him with talent....doesn't mean that the other team would have. And that's not even to say that the Dolphins couldn't have succeeded with Ryan as their QB and not overspending to surround him with talent.
The Dolphins were in a completely different situation than the Falcons, though. The Falcons had a decent team but had no backup plan for Vick, leading to Leftwich and Harrington to start. Their coach quit on them, but they had other pieces on the team already(Abraham, White, Babineaux, etc).

Miami had some decent parts, but not to the extent of Atlanta.
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Since 2008, Atlanta spent the #3 overall pick on Matt Ryan, traded two second round picks on Sam Baker to protect him (#34, #48 & #103), a second round pick in 2010 for Tony Gonzalez (#50), then traded for Julio Jones to help him even more and spent #27, #59 and #124 in 2011 and #22 and #120 in the 2012 draft.

That's two 1st rounders, four 2nd rounders and three fourth rounders to help out Matt Ryan.

Since acquiring Ryan with the #3 overall pick in 2008, the Atlanta Falcons have won exactly ONE playoff game.

How ANYONE could believe that the Miami Dolphins would have been better off with Matt Ryan as their QB, especially without giving up an absolutely egregious amount of picks in order to surround him with talent, is beyond me.
You're including fourth rounders in this equation to demonstrate this egregious amount of picks over five seasons? How about the two first rounders and four third rounders they spent on defense? In theory, isn't that pretty balanced?
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Falcons moving on from Matt Ryan.

That is one teams "trash" I would gladly get behind the Chiefs pursuing.
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