Andy Reid seems to think all Tackles are created equal . . .

[HMc]

Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin

Okay, I'm going to say this again slowly . . . .

The Chiefs did not have a pick in the second round, therefore the only way they could have spent a first or second round pick on a QB would be to use 1.1.

We are having this conversation in the context of the CHIEFS, not the Jets, drafting a QB high in the draft.

I'm not sure why this is so hard to understand.

Then why on earth did you bother posting this?

If the goal is always to obtain a "franchise" QB, which I believe it should be, then I would much rather be the Chiefs than the Jets.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Originally Posted by HMc

Then why on earth did you bother posting this?

You really need to go back in the thread and read my posts from earlier.
I explained my position very clearly:

Summary:

This is, for all intents an purposes, a weak QB class. Most NFL scouts concur with that assessment. Most scouts also believe Bray has a ceiling as high as ANYONE in this draft. But, obviously, his floor is much lower. Which is why he went undrafted.

Therefore, since the goal is to get a high ceiling guy and for him to realize his potential; I would much rather the Chiefs sign a guy like Bray as an UDFA, then draft a guy like Geno, who offers roughly the same ceiling, and additionally costs you a high draft pick. Further, since the Chiefs don't have a second round pick, the only way they could have drafted Geno would have been to spend 1.1 on him. And, IMO (and many other NFL scouts opinions), that would have been a HUGE reach and not good value for the pick.

If Geno was still sitting there in the 4th round and the Chiefs wanted to pull the trigger on him then, I could have lived with that also. But he wasn't and they didn't.

That's about as succinctly as I can explain my position. Again, if you need additional clarification, read back through the thread . . . .

[HMc]

Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin

You really need to go back in the thread and read my posts from earlier.
I explained my position very clearly:

Summary:

This is, for all intents an purposes, a weak QB class. Most NFL scouts concur with that assessment. Most scouts also believe Bray has a ceiling as high as ANYONE in this draft. But, obviously, his floor is much lower. Which is why he went undrafted.

Therefore, since the goal is to get a high ceiling guy and for him to realize his potential; I would much rather the Chiefs sign a guy like Bray as an UDFA, then draft a guy like Geno, who offers roughly the same ceiling, and additionally costs you a high draft pick. Further, since the Chiefs don't have a second round pick, the only way they could have drafted Geno would have been to spend 1.1 on him. And, IMO (and many other NFL scouts opinions), that would have been a HUGE reach and not good value for the pick.

If Geno was still sitting there in the 4th round and the Chiefs wanted to pull the trigger on him then, I could have lived with that also. But he wasn't and they didn't.

That's about as succinctly as I can explain my position. Again, if you need additional clarification, read back through the thread . . . .

Your brokedick analysis appears to assume the following:

• that Geno offers "roughly the same ceiling" as Bray [citation required];
• that players either hit their ceiling or fall to the floor [citation required];and
• all players have the same % chance of hitting their ceiling or falling to the floor.

The reason no team was even willing to spend even a 7 on Bray is that they all formed the view that there is barely a snowflake's shot in hell of him being productive in the NFL. All this "high ceiling" shit is down to him having a big arm and that's it. The QB is the most important position on the field. If there's a guy there in the 7th that has even a 5% chance of being better than the guys taken at 16 and 39, you take him.

Your explanation has been neither clear nor succint - it changes every 2nd post. The only point you've actually made is that you are glad the chiefs didn't spend the 1.1 on Smith. Which is useless really since if they had, he wouldn't have dropped, and we'd all be talking about how he wouldn't have made it past the jaguars at number 2.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Originally Posted by HMc

Your brokedick analysis appears to assume the following:

• that Geno offers "roughly the same ceiling" as Bray [citation required];
• that players either hit their ceiling or fall to the floor [citation required];and
• all players have the same % chance of hitting their ceiling or falling to the floor.

The reason no team was even willing to spend even a 7 on Bray is that they all formed the view that there is barely a snowflake's shot in hell of him being productive in the NFL. All this "high ceiling" shit is down to him having a big arm and that's it. The QB is the most important position on the field. If there's a guy there in the 7th that has even a 5% chance of being better than the guys taken at 16 and 39, you take him.

Your explanation has been neither clear nor succint - it changes every 2nd post. The only point you've actually made is that you are glad the chiefs didn't spend the 1.1 on Smith. Which is useless really since if they had, he wouldn't have dropped, and we'd all be talking about how he wouldn't have made it past the jaguars at number 2.

I'm sorry that your reading comprehension is lacking. Again, you're welcome to read back through the thread . . . . .

I haven't changed my position. If you don't agree with it, fine. So be it.

Yes, I am glad the Chiefs did not spend 1.1 on Geno Smith. I think I'll take my chances siding with the majority of NFL scouts opinions over the opinions of the pro-Geno crowd.

I'm sorry if that upsets you.

[HMc]

Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin

I'm sorry that your reading comprehension is lacking. Again, you're welcome to read back through the thread . . . . .

I haven't changed my position. If you don't agree with it, fine. So be it.

Yes, I am glad the Chiefs did not spend 1.1 on Geno Smith. I think I'll take my chances siding with the majority of NFL scouts opinions over the opinions of the pro-Geno crowd.

I'm sorry if that upsets you.

LOL, yet you're high on a guy that wasn't drafted at all.

Got it.

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Originally Posted by HMc

LOL, yet you're high on a guy that wasn't drafted at all.

Got it.

Well, he is OUR Quarterback in case you hadn't noticed.

But, by all means, continue to drool all over Geno in his Jets uniform . . . . . .

Moving on.

[HMc]

Originally Posted by TomBarndtsTwin

Well, he is OUR Quarterback in case you hadn't noticed.

But, by all means, continue to drool all over Geno in his Jets uniform . . . . . .

Moving on.

At least you're admitting to unabashed homerism now. Progress.