Let's talk about "true fans"

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

Yeah, I think 14 wins is a stretch... hell, they could start 0-2.

~12 seems right.

I think too many Chiefs fans are giving 37 year old Peyton Manning too much credit. He had an inflated record with the Colts due to the weakness of the AFC South (Texans, Jags and Titans), only to lose in the playoffs.

The Broncos had an inflated record in the AFC West because the Chiefs were historically bad, the Raiders were awful and the Chargers didn't live up to expectations, with the same result: Loss in the playoffs.

They'll be a good team but I'll be shocked if they're a great team.

[Bearcat]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I think too many Chiefs fans are giving 37 year old Peyton Manning too much credit. He had an inflated record with the Colts due to the weakness of the AFC South (Texans, Jags and Titans), only to lose in the playoffs.

The Broncos had an inflated record in the AFC West because the Chiefs were historically bad, the Raiders were awful and the Chargers didn't live up to expectations, with the same result: Loss in the playoffs.

They'll be a good team but I'll be shocked if they're a great team.

I'm not convinced by any means that they'll play for a championship this year, but it's kind of the nature of the game these days. You still have to be pretty damn good to play in the final two weekends, but an elite QB can cover up a lot of warts and get you ~12 wins and even a first round bye. It's not like they were overmatched when they got there last year though... when you lose to the eventual champs in two OTs, you're at least competing with the big boys.

And even though he's a year older, everyone figured he'd take a big step back last year before he ended up with close to career highs in several categories, and now he has a full season with his new team under his belt and no more rust from taking a year off.... so, I don't see any reason why he shouldn't at least be average by his own standards... and an average Peyton Manning should still win 10 or 11 games.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Bearcat

I'm not convinced by any means that they'll play for a championship this year, but it's kind of the nature of the game these days. You still have to be pretty damn good to play in the final two weekends, but an elite QB can cover up a lot of warts and get you ~12 wins and even a first round bye. It's not like they were overmatched when they got there last year though... when you lose to the eventual champs in two OTs, you're at least competing with the big boys.

And even though he's a year older, everyone figured he'd take a big step back last year before he ended up with close to career highs in several categories, and now he has a full season with his new team under his belt and no more rust from taking a year off.... so, I don't see any reason why he shouldn't at least be average by his own standards... and an average Peyton Manning should still win 10 or 11 games.

Yeah, I think eleven wins is their ceiling. I think their secondary has not improved and they lost their second best pass rusher, which will likely affect their best pass rusher, who will miss four games.

They have the Ravens, Colts, Redskins, Cowboys and Giants in their first eight games. That's a tough first half, especially without Miller.