Alex Smith did, does, and will always suck.

[Hammock Parties]

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by NinerDoug

Pam Oliver's Forehead has had that stat up for a while. (Anyone know where there is an easily retrievable database to compare quarterbacks, without going through each QBs record, game by game, season by season?)

We've pulled some of the names before. Matt Cassell even had a better record in those game. You obviously aren't going to .800 of those games, but you would generally like to do better than a .074 win percentage. .300 would probably be a decent place to start .500 is pretty bad ass.
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[Sandy Vagina]

Word is, Harbaugh found out that Alex had ****ed Jim's wife. Yeah, that will cause trouble in paradise.

Originally Posted by opposition

I'm not in that group. I dig Kaep. I'm just glad Alex found a new home and now I can bug the shit out of ya'll.

I like the pocket passer over the backyard baller, but yeah... I like Kaep enough too. So all of this.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by Frosty

BTW, anyone else wonder if some of the true love for Smith has to do with him being Mormon? I've never seen such devotion for a single player that wasn't one of the greats.

Yeah, that and people from Utah in general. I think Utah is in the 49ers TV territory so the Utes were able to keep tabs on him. Lots of guys have probably been fanboys for over 10 years.

[Alex Smiff]

Originally Posted by QuitUrWhining

Kapernoob played better than Alex Smith???

He didn't start 1 game before he took over.

KaperNoob was 3 INTs, 1 Fumble, NO TDs, 20.1 QBR, 127 yd passing... LOL ... Don't think Alex Smith was ever that bad LOL NOT even in the Nolan days HAHAHA!!!

He had a 4INT game with an 8.5 Rating in his 1st year against the staunch Indy Colts defense.



Some of the greatest QBs have had 4 turnover games (Peyton, Brees, ARod, etc..) so I'm not sure what you're getting at.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by NinerDoug

Pam Oliver's Forehead has had that stat up for a while. (Anyone know where there is an easily retrievable database to compare quarterbacks, without going through each QBs record, game by game, season by season?)

I was looking at Peyton Mannings record from last season:

http://www.nfl.com/player/peytonmann...gs?season=2012

I count 5 games where the other team scored 24 points or more.

Peyton's record in that situation from 2012 is 1 win, 4 losses, including the loss in the playoffs.

He did better in 2010:

http://www.nfl.com/player/peytonmann...gs?season=2010

I count 4 wins and 6 losses when the other team scored 24 points or more.

Even better in 2009:

http://www.nfl.com/player/peytonmann...gs?season=2010

3 wins and 2 losses.

2008:

3 wins, 3 losses.

2007:

2 wins, 2 losses, including the playoffs.

12 and 13, total for those years.

Of course, that is Peyton Manning, one of the best of all time. Let's look at someone a bit more ordinary.

Big Ben, for example.

2012:

http://www.nfl.com/player/benroethli...gs?season=2012

0 wins, 5 losses when the other team scored 24 points or more.

2011:

0 wins, 2 losses when the other team scored 24 points or more, including the playoffs.

2010:

1 and 1

2009:

3 and 2

2008:

1 and 2, including the playoffs.

2007:

2 and 5, including the playoffs.

7 and 17 total for those years.

So, let's just say it's not all that unusual to lose when your opponent puts up 24 points or more.

Now, of course, 2-27-1 is obviously quite a bit worse that 7-17, but you also have to consider that that is a career stat, including his rookie year, the team coming off of a 2-14 season, 2007 when he was playing with a separated shoulder, the golden years of Jimmy Raye, etc.

Matt Ryan was 3 and 3 last season.

Matt Schaub was 3 and 4 last season.

Vick was 0 and 11 last season. 0 and 7 in 2011.

Must have breezed by this and forgotten, but very cool research you have here. Very interesting. Considered doing something like this myself, but was too lazy, if being honest.

[jettio]

All of this talk about Alex Smith v. Kaepernick. I will say one thing. If Alex Smith were still the 49ers QB, they would have run an offense that had a chance Sunday in a loud stadium.

I expected the 49ers to learn their lesson from last December's game in Seattle, but then they show up with some cockamamie communication system that was no better than last December when they got trounced and crowd noise was a huge factor.

I doubt the 49ers will ever win in Seattle if the 49ers don't play the offense that they played when Alex Smith was QB. They need to be able to still play that way to win some of their games.

[Sandy Vagina]

^ was a very strange game for me. Hated to see my 49ers beaten down like that.... but I LOVED watching Harbaugh suffer as Carroll stuck it in his ass.

[BigCatDaddy]

Originally Posted by jettio

All of this talk about Alex Smith v. Kaepernick. I will say one thing. If Alex Smith were still the 49ers QB, they would have run an offense that had a chance Sunday in a loud stadium.

I expected the 49ers to learn their lesson from last December's game in Seattle, but then they show up with some cockamamie communication system that was no better than last December when they got trounced and crowd noise was a huge factor.

I doubt the 49ers will ever win in Seattle if the 49ers don't play the offense that they played when Alex Smith was QB. They need to be able to still play that way to win some of their games.

Maybe, but I doubt they beat the Packers opening week with Alice.

[Alex Smiff]

Originally Posted by Frosty

BTW, anyone else wonder if some of the true love for Smith has to do with him being Mormon? I've never seen such devotion for a single player that wasn't one of the greats.

That's interesting. It's a Tebow-esque devotion. Good point.

[JENKINSWINS]

Originally Posted by Alex Smiff

He had a 4INT game with an 8.5 Rating in his 1st year against the staunch Indy Colts defense.



Some of the greatest QBs have had 4 turnover games (Peyton, Brees, ARod, etc..) so I'm not sure what you're getting at.

I've already pointed that out. The 9ers also went through 5 different starting QBs that season. While Kaepernick is behind one of the best offensive lines and considered to be on a Super Bowl caliber team.

It's true Alex sucked and so did the rest of the team in 2005 when he had those stats... but the whole team for the 9ers this past Sunday did not suck like you so eloquently pointed out.

[jettio]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Maybe, but I doubt they beat the Packers opening week with Alice.

I guess you don't remember that the 49ers beat the Packers in Green Bay last year early in the season when both teams were pretty much healthy and while Anquan Boldin was still a Baltimore Raven.

[AlexSmithDynasty]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Maybe, but I doubt they beat the Packers opening week with Alice.

Okay, cuz Smith beat them opening week 2012 in Green Bay.

[JENKINSWINS]

Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy

Maybe, but I doubt they beat the Packers opening week with Alice.

Hey lady, since you like dwelling in the past. Go look up who won week one last year in the SF @ GB game.

[Alex Smiff]

Originally Posted by jettio

All of this talk about Alex Smith v. Kaepernick. I will say one thing. If Alex Smith were still the 49ers QB, they would have run an offense that had a chance Sunday in a loud stadium.

I expected the 49ers to learn their lesson from last December's game in Seattle, but then they show up with some cockamamie communication system that was no better than last December when they got trounced and crowd noise was a huge factor.

I doubt the 49ers will ever win in Seattle if the 49ers don't play the offense that they played when Alex Smith was QB. They need to be able to still play that way to win some of their games.

You may be right. I don't think a Smith offense would have had 4 turnovers. However, if Smith is starting in the playoffs, I don't think we beat Green Bay, Atlanta or even hang with Baltimore.

[Alex Smiff]

Originally Posted by AlexSmithDynasty

Okay, cuz Smith beat them opening week 2012 in Green Bay.