Restating the obvious, Dorsey learned from Ted Thompson

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/04/03/packers-prefer-compensatory-picks-over-unrestricted-free-agents/


Packers General Manager Ted Thompson has a formula for building his team, and he’s sticking with it.

Thompson believes in building through the draft, not free agency, and that includes acquiring more draft picks by declining to sign unrestricted free agents. In the NFL, teams that lose more in free agency than they acquire get compensatory picks, and the Packers’ moves in free agency this year indicate that they’re already thinking about acquiring compensatory picks for next year. The NFL doesn’t public the precise formula used to determine compensatory picks, but the simple version is that if the unrestricted free agents you lose are better, higher-paid players than the unrestricted free agents you sign, then the NFL will compensate you the following year with compensatory picks.

As the Green Bay Press-Gazette points out, even the one big name the Packers have signed this offseason, Julius Peppers, was a free agent because he was released by the Bears, not because his previous contract expired. That means he won’t count as an unrestricted free agent addition for the Packers for the purpose of determining their compensatory picks next year.

Last year the Packers lost two key players, receiver Greg Jennings and linebacker Erik Walden, as unrestricted free agents. And the Packers didn’t sign any unrestricted free agents last year. As a result, this year they’re getting an extra third-round pick and an extra fifth-round pick as compensatory selections.

This year the Packers have again not signed away any players whose previous contract expired, but they have lost four players, center Evan Dietrich-Smith, receiver James Jones, defensive lineman C.J. Wilson and offensive lineman Marshall Newhouse. That means the Packers will almost certainly do well when the compensatory picks are passed out a year from now.

Building through the draft and declining to overspend in free agency would be a smart strategy even if the NFL didn’t have a compensatory pick system to reward frugal teams. But when compensatory picks are added to the equation, it’s easy to see why Thompson declines to go after free agents. The Packers have been successful this way. It’s surprising more teams haven’t copied them.


May not be popular here but Dorsey is doing exactly the same thing Thompson and Ozzie Newsome are doing, stockpile draft picks and let UFAs get overpaid elsewhere.

[temper11]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

It's been interesting to me sometimes how much more of a Smith fan Reid seems to be in interviews than does Dorsey.

Well, Dorsey is from GreenBay. Aaron Rodgers came out the same year as did Smith and many believed the niners would take Rodgers #1 overall. So organizationally I'm sure Green Bay is pretty happy with the way that draft played out. It probably took some getting used to coming into KC and the first thing your New HC wants to do is go get the "other guy" in that 05 draft.

Also, Reid has said on numerous occasions that he actively followed Smith's career, even when the niners were losing and they were putting in and taking Smith out of the lineup seemingly every other game. Dorsey probably stopped evaluating Smith once that 05 draft was done.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

That explains why he is basically out of football 4 years into his career.

There are plenty of examples of player's careers derailing on their 1st contract. Shit happens all of the time. Just like there are players that can't catch on. I know he's coming back from an injury right now.

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

If they go TE early and Kelce stays healthy/is a positive at TC.....then they need to ****ing cut Fasano as quick as possible. Dude is making too much to be an insurance policy.

Yep, **** that guy, I knew we weren't getting Ben Coates but I sure as hell expected a lot more than we got from Fasano, dudes a bust.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

I find it frustrating that CP at large finds it unfathomable that we passed on a QB last year because the front office didn't think any of them were any good and not because it was deemed "too risky."

Manufactured argument. Other than a couple of crackpots out there, literally nobody in this argument still thinks we would have been better off drafting a QB last year.

Thinking Fisher was a bad pick and thinking the 2 picks we traded for Alex Smith have a lot of value do not, and never will, equal wanting to draft a QB in the 1st round last year.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

There are plenty of examples of player's careers derailing on their 1st contract. Shit happens all of the time. Just like there are players that can't catch on. I know he's coming back from an injury right now.

Please don't bring up Jimmy Clausen again. Admit the mistake and move on.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Please don't bring up Jimmy Clausen again. Admit the mistake and move on.

I already have....plenty of times. I'm a firm believer that some players fail because of the team that drafted them.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

I already have....plenty of times. I'm a firm believer that some players fail because of the team that drafted them.

The whole fascination for me was Weis being on the coaching staff.

I even said if Clausen goes into the wrong situation he'd fail

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

I already have....plenty of times. I'm a firm believer that some players fail because of the team that drafted them.

I agree with that. I think some situations are tailor-made for success, and some are just a bust waiting to happen. But I also think some guys are universal failures (Sanchez comes to mind, and Clausen's probably on that list, although I was in favor of it at the time).

[temper11]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

I'm a firm believer that some players fail because of the team that drafted them.

I wholeheartedly agree with this.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

I already have....plenty of times. I'm a firm believer that some players fail because of the team that drafted them.

RE: Glenn Dorsey

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

The whole fascination for me was Weis being on the coaching staff.

I even said if Clausen goes into the wrong situation he'd fail

Originally Posted by keg in kc

I agree with that. I think some situations are tailor-made for success, and some are just a bust waiting to happen. But I also think some guys are universal failures (Sanchez comes to mind, and Clausen's probably on that list, although I was in favor of it at the time).

Originally Posted by temper11

I wholeheartedly agree with this.

Originally Posted by mcaj22

RE: Glenn Dorsey

And that's why when people scream about Sanchez, Clausen or Geno....it bugs me. You can't realistically sit here and claim that if we had drafted either one of those guys....that they would have 100% turned out the same way. There are always players that come into the NFL and need a season (or more) of adjustment time....QBs especially. Yet when those QBs get over drafted, and fail, they're labeled as busts and anyone who wanted to draft them is bashed.

Clausen, for example (and this is all JMO), would have succeeded on a team where he was allowed to sit and learn for a year. I even think that he would have succeeded on the Panthers had he been given more than a year. Instead he was drafted, started (on a shitty team) and then replaced my the #1 overall pick after a year. I think he would have succeeded on a team like the Chiefs, where he wouldn't have been expected to start in the 1st year. He would have been able to work with Weis and get acclimated to the NFL.

Brady Quinn is the same way. And no...I'm not going homer just because they're both Irish QBs.

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

You can't realistically sit here and claim that if we had drafted either one of those guys....that they would have 100% turned out the same way.

Sure you can. It's just an opinion.

If you want to get into specific guys, I think Sanchez would've failed basically anywhere. And he definitely would have failed here. Seriously, think about the teams we fielded from 2009-2012 - there was no happy end to that story here... Similarly I think Clausen would've failed basically anywhere. And he falls into the same basic roster window here that Sanchez does. That would not have been a good landing spot. At all. Beyond that I think there's a combination of problems, both psychological and physical, that would've precluded either one from early success in virtually any situation.

And I think Geno will fail in New York. Believing what I do now about his mental makeup, I think there are only a limited number of places that would've been good for him. Although I do think here may have been one of them. But as I said at the time he was drafted, I can't think of a worse situation than the Jets for him. But who knows, maybe he'll be fine in the end. Stranger things have happened.

Either way, we're stuck with Alex Smith.

And just because I think those guys (meaning Clausen and Sanchez) were basically doomed to failure doesn't mean that I believe everyone who busts was or is. I was agreeing with you in my last post, after all.

[Rausch]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Sure you can. It's just an opinion.

If you want to get into specific guys, I think Sanchez would've failed basically anywhere. And he definitely would have failed here. Seriously, think about the teams we fielded from 2009-2012 - there was no happy end to that story here...

Looking back I don't think any rookie would have done well with the offensive mess that was the Pioli Chiefs.

Between T0dd and our $3it-tastic OC's anyone would have flopped...

[Lightrise]

Interesting thread. I felt the trade for Smith was absolutely the best play last year and it worked out better than I expected. The real gem last year was getting Bray for virtually nothing. I still believe that one day we will see that arm in the starting lineup. I was not a fan of the draft but I've come around on Davis. I thought getting Sherman was a good move. I did not care for Kelce though. I watched enough film to conclude that Schwartz wasn't worth trying to keep and the only FA I'm sorry to see gone is McCluster, because I don't think we are going to get better in the return game regardless. He's got what it takes in punt returns and those returns usually come early in the season anyway. The big mistake was not going all in to pry Gordon from Cleveland. I honestly believe a #1 pick would have been worth it and it would have made a difference in the season. I don't think had we had Gordon that we would have lost both San Diego games, and that means we could have won the division and our playoff game would have been at home and perhaps the dynamics change drastically. I think, for cap purposes, we should move on from Hali and give his money to Houston. That probably happens anyway. As for Hunt, he did the right thing in the way he set this up with each of the big three reporting directly to him. That formula will be the league norm in 3 years at the most. I love the 'special projects' hire and I suspect that Bray is a big part of that focus. That's the long term play here. It's no guarantee, but the risk/reward is an intriguing one. Finally we have to think our division. It's always about winning now, not in 5 years. We have to have veteran leadership in our division. We cannot win without that. It's still win now and not later. Charles is the most unique back I have seen since OJ. Enjoy the ride because you may never see another like him again. He's got the perfect QB, the perfect HC and the perfect offense. It's a wonderful ride to the Hall of Fame. This years draft will be interesting. The fact that its deep helps. I expect Dorsey to once again pick up the pieces after the final cuts from loaded teams. I wouldn't be surprised to see the team try to trade up over Green Bay to grab one of the safeties. But since we still need the WR that's where we are heading and I'd pick Cook.

Lastly, looking at the league - I don't see how the Chiefs ever get to the Super Bowl without structuring the team to beat the Colts. That team, for perhaps years, will always stand in our way. You either have to score 50 points, or the secondary has to be second to nobody.

Oh well, for what's its worth.

[Easy 6]

If you had put just THREE spaces in there, I would've read that post.