Rumor: Albert to the Dolphins

[Titty Meat]

*Albert

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...-the-dolphins/

So that great 08' draft class won 0 playoff games and 3 of the better players from that draft are no longer on the team. Thanks Pioli.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

You're talking about everything in retrospect.

Um yeah. It happened in the past, did it not.

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Before the 2013 season, no one would have even considered any of those guys you mentioned at #1 overall. The only one I would have considered would've been Star but that quickly fell by the wayside after his heart condition was discovered.

That's what separates the winners from the also-rans. Finding guys that don't fit the mold.

Originally Posted by OldSchool

People being pissed at the Fisher pick now are just being stupid. He was the only choice that would have really made sense at the time given how our roster looked and everything that we did in the off-season in terms of cleaning house, re-signing players, signing FAs, and how the draft prospects were shaping up both on and off the field.

Here's to another 2 decades of futility.

[Mugsy]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

They would have come into Year 1 (with that stop-gap, make us respectable QB) with an established, top 10 LT and a promising young player with good physical ability at RT. How is that any different than how they started the 2013 season? (It's not).

And they'd still be looking at the same decision regarding Albert. As it is, they're going into that QB's second season looking like they will use that same promising third-round player in a starting spot (and LT if they align them based on merit so far) ... and still with a complete unknown/unproven guy at the other tackle.

Throwing 1st round picks at the T spot is not the only way to get good players in there. Except, apparently, in KC.

Yeah but, they didn't like Stephenson in that role. They didn't trust him as a stop gap. So much so that they chose not to trade Albert when they could have. I am sure they did their due diligence on Stephenson. Imo he wasn't that great when he started at LT. He's a good back up but he's not starting material on that side imo.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Um yeah. It happened in the past, did it not.



That's what separates the winners from the also-rans. Finding guys that don't fit the mold.





Here's to another 2 decades of futility.

Yeah, no, we should have taken Geno Smith!

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Mugsy

Yeah but, they didn't like Stephenson in that role. They didn't trust him as a stop gap. So much so that they chose not to trade Albert when they could have. I am sure they did their due diligence on Stephenson. Imo he wasn't that great when he started at LT. He's a good back up but he's not starting material on that side imo.

So much so that when Albert went down, they inserted Stephenson in at LT.

If Stephenson isn't starting material, what does that make Fisher?

It's time for people to come to terms with the fact that the Chiefs took a RT at 1.1. Does that mean Fisher is a lost cause? Not to me. Fisher can still be a productive play and contribute from the right side of the line.

It just wasn't an efficient use of the resources at hand. There's no other way to slice it.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by OldSchool

Yeah, no, we should have taken Geno Smith!

Except that I NEVER said that. I ***WANTED*** Geno Smith leading up to the draft.

After watching him play, I said that taking him CLEARLY would have been a MISTAKE.

Stop acting like a ****ing moron and stick to the actual argument.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

So much so that when Albert went down, they inserted Stephenson in at LT.

If Stephenson isn't starting material, what does that make Fisher?

It's time for people to come to terms with the fact that the Chiefs took a RT at 1.1. Does that mean Fisher is a lost cause? Not to me. Fisher can still be a productive play and contribute from the right side of the line.

It just wasn't an efficient use of the resources at hand. There's no other way to slice it.

I'd bet Fisher starts the season at LT.

[Mugsy]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

So much so that when Albert went down, they inserted Stephenson in at LT.

If Stephenson isn't starting material, what does that make Fisher?

It's time for people to come to terms with the fact that the Chiefs took a RT at 1.1. Does that mean Fisher is a lost cause? Not to me. Fisher can still be a productive play and contribute from the right side of the line.

It just wasn't an efficient use of the resources at hand. There's no other way to slice it.

They switched Fisher's position. They didn't want to move him back to left because they didn't want to put too much on him. He was a rookie. Reid talked about this last fall. Fisher is going to be the starting LT next year like it or not.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Mugsy

They switched Fisher's position. They didn't want to move him back to left because they didn't want to put too much on him. He was a rookie. Reid talked about this last fall. Fisher is going to be the starting LT next year like it or not.

Putting too much on him? How would it be putting too much on him to move him back to his natural spot where he's played for years? The spot where his natural reactions would kick back in?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Cochise

I'd bet Fisher starts the season at LT.

Despite all of the adulation for Dorsey and Reid here that they don't care about draft position and they're going to start the guys that earn it, I'll be he does too.

For the long-term health of the team, it's probably necessary. I just hope Alex Smith doesn't get killed in the process.

[saphojunkie]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

So much so that when Albert went down, they inserted Stephenson in at LT.

If Stephenson isn't starting material, what does that make Fisher?

It's time for people to come to terms with the fact that the Chiefs took a RT at 1.1. Does that mean Fisher is a lost cause? Not to me. Fisher can still be a productive play and contribute from the right side of the line.

It just wasn't an efficient use of the resources at hand. There's no other way to slice it.

What should they have done? And you don't get the benefit of hindsight, because you're not giving it to the Chiefs. You wanted Geno Smith, as did I, as did a lot of people.

The Chiefs clearly used their resources better than we would have. Because a starting right tackle is significantly more valuable than a bust of a QB.

So what should they have done? As long as your complaining, how about offering a legitimate alternative?

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Putting too much on him? How would it be putting too much on him to move him back to his natural spot where he's played for years? The spot where his natural reactions would kick back in?

See my previous post.

So many here like to praise Reid and Dorsey for the "no bullshit" approach, they're gonna play the best guy, they don't care about appearances they're going to do what's right.

But then when they play Fisher at RT, it's because he needs to "learn and grow".

So much circular logic.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

What should they have done? And you don't get the benefit of hindsight, because you're not giving it to the Chiefs. You wanted Geno Smith, as did I, as did a lot of people.

The Chiefs clearly used their resources better than we would have. Because a starting right tackle is significantly more valuable than a bust of a QB.

So what should they have done? As long as your complaining, how about offering a legitimate alternative?

Who would I have taken? Dion Jordan or Barkevious Mingo.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by saphojunkie

What should they have done? And you don't get the benefit of hindsight, because you're not giving it to the Chiefs. You wanted Geno Smith, as did I, as did a lot of people.

The Chiefs clearly used their resources better than we would have. Because a starting right tackle is significantly more valuable than a bust of a QB.

So what should they have done? As long as your complaining, how about offering a legitimate alternative?

If Geno is a bust after one season, so is Fisher. You can't give one the benefit of development time and not the other.

As for alternatives, I already provided one. Milliner, whether anybody wants to admit it or not, is a legitimate alternative. In fact, we are in the EXACT SAME SITUATION at CB as we were with LT last year. So if you're going to use that logic to support the drafting of Fisher, you can't discount taking Milliner as not viable.

[Eleazar]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Despite all of the adulation for Dorsey and Reid here that they don't care about draft position and they're going to start the guys that earn it, I'll be he does too.

For the long-term health of the team, it's probably necessary. I just hope Alex Smith doesn't get killed in the process.

I think it's the only thing that adds up. They started this plan to deal with Albert hitting free agency last offseason, and they invested a #1 pick. It would make no sense give up on Fisher before they ever even tried him as the full-time starter LT.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Cochise

I think it's the only thing that adds up. They started this plan to deal with Albert hitting free agency last offseason, and they invested a #1 pick. It would make no sense give up on Fisher before they ever even tried him as the full-time starter LT.

Of course not. Especially after they spent a VERY valuable pick on him. It's prudent to get the most production out of him that you possibly can.

I think people are having trouble separating the player from the pick. If Eric Fisher becomes a full-time starter at right tackle, he's a valuable player.

It still wasn't an efficient use of the #1 overall pick.