Chiefs If Pioli wants to run a 3-4.... - Page 2

RedThat · 01-13-2009, 10:37 PM

all I gotta say is Terrell Suggs!!!

dj56dt58 · 01-13-2009, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Craqhead

I agree. I would think the head coach and his DC would decide aswell.

true, but he is used to finding talent for a 3-4 D so he might lean towards a 3-4 coach

sportsman1 · 01-13-2009, 11:56 PM

I don't like the idea of having to field 4 healthy linebackers.

milkman · 01-14-2009, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by googlegoogle

Pioli might keep Herm. Nick "The Erroneous One" Athan on Metro said that Hunt and Herm agreed on a rebuilding project and that he might have insisted to keep Herm for one more season.

But the new coach will install the D and not Pioli is what i am guessing.

Scott Pioli wouldn't take a job that ties him to an ass clown like Herman ****ing Edwards.

EyePod · 01-14-2009, 09:09 AM

He's not fat enough/tall enough to be a 3-4 NT. But I'm fine with running a hybrid, and after he dominates for a few years, trade him off. I'm sure we'll run the 4-3 mostly, because those are the types of players we have.

EyePod · 01-14-2009, 09:09 AM

Oh, and Pioli is known for using players where they should be used, not trying to fit square pegs into round holes **COUGH COUGH HERM COUGH COUGH**, so why would we switch to the 3-4 right away?

eazyb81 · 01-14-2009, 09:13 AM

I question the football knowledge of someone that thinks Dorsey could fit in as a 3-4 NT. Go compare Dorsey to dominant 3-4 NTs like Wilfork, Hampton, and Ngata, and then hopefully you'll see why he wouldn't fit there.

However, Dorsey could fit in as a 3-4 DE. I'm not sure how effective he'd be, but he could probably be passable out there.

If we utilize the 3-4 next year, I hope we don't go 100% to a 3-4, and instead just add the versatility of going back and forth between 4-3 and 3-4. We still need a legit NT, which is the toughest position in the scheme to fill, and some 3-4 edge rushers.

kcchiefsus · 01-15-2009, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Zouk

I'm in the minority on this - I think Dorsey could be a very good 3-4 nose tackle. People have this image of him as a Sapp-like penetrator but in really that's not what he is. He only had 13 sacks and 7 pressures in 51 college games. But with his squat and strong base he can occupy blockers and hold the point of attack.

That has already been discussed extensively back when he was drafted. Dorsey was almost never allowed to shoot the gap and rush the passer in college. When he was drafted Gunther Cunningham said that he almost always two-gapped and simply took up blockers. So his sack numbers in college are misleading.

Dorsey is not the nose tackle type, end of story.

beach tribe · 01-15-2009, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by eazyb81

I question the football knowledge of someone that thinks Dorsey could fit in as a 3-4 NT. Go compare Dorsey to dominant 3-4 NTs like Wilfork, Hampton, and Ngata, and then hopefully you'll see why he wouldn't fit there.

However, Dorsey could fit in as a 3-4 DE. I'm not sure how effective he'd be, but he could probably be passable out there.

If we utilize the 3-4 next year, I hope we don't go 100% to a 3-4, and instead just add the versatility of going back and forth between 4-3 and 3-4. We still need a legit NT, which is the toughest position in the scheme to fill, and some 3-4 edge rushers.

I actually think Dorsey would be agood 3-4 DE.

Turk, Haynesworth, Dorsey

Tamba, DJ, Scott, Suggs

I know, I know..I'm dreaming.

I wonder how much weight Tank could put on. He is definitely strong enough to ply nose. What does he weigh right now. 320? 330. If he weighs 330, we should give him a try. Maybe run a little bit ogf 3-4 this season to see how these guys would do in it.

**Skip Towne** · 01-15-2009, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by smittysbar

Nick is hitting the crack pipe

No, Nick's like that all the time.

Reerun_KC · 01-16-2009, 12:26 AM

What makes people think that Herm will allow some other defense here besides his precious Tampa 2...

Reerun_KC · 01-16-2009, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by EyePod

Oh, and Pioli is known for using players where they should be used, not trying to fit square pegs into round holes **COUGH COUGH HERM COUGH COUGH**, so why would we switch to the 3-4 right away?

Will Herm allow that to happen? This is his defense and he fixed it..

RustShack · 01-16-2009, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

What makes people think that Herm will allow some other defense here besides his precious Tampa 2...

ChiefsCountry · 01-16-2009, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by dj56dt58

true, but he is used to finding talent for a 3-4 D so he might lean towards a 3-4 coach

New England used to be a 4-3.

Chief Faithful · 01-16-2009, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

I think Tank would fare well as a 3-4 DE, actually.

I think Tank would do better as an NT in a 3-4 then he does currently in a 4-3. He has the right build and height, but his game is based on strength not quickness so I think he would excel in a 3-4.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-16-2009, 09:55 AM

If Suggs has the significant ligament damage in his arm and shoulder that is being reported, he may not get that payday he was thinking about - and all I can think about now is Kendrell Bell...

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EyePod Forgetting 2013 season end. Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Around Casino cash: $9995735	Oh, and Pioli is known for using players where they should be used, not trying to fit square pegs into round holes COUGH COUGH HERM COUGH COUGH, so why would we switch to the 3-4 right away? __________________ I did not believe in Mahomes until week 1. I've been woke ever since. I'm on board this freight train.
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eazyb81 The Illuminati Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: the road less traveled Casino cash: $10004900	I question the football knowledge of someone that thinks Dorsey could fit in as a 3-4 NT. Go compare Dorsey to dominant 3-4 NTs like Wilfork, Hampton, and Ngata, and then hopefully you'll see why he wouldn't fit there. However, Dorsey could fit in as a 3-4 DE. I'm not sure how effective he'd be, but he could probably be passable out there. If we utilize the 3-4 next year, I hope we don't go 100% to a 3-4, and instead just add the versatility of going back and forth between 4-3 and 3-4. We still need a legit NT, which is the toughest position in the scheme to fill, and some 3-4 edge rushers.
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