State your position, for the record. STH the problem? - Page 2

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-03-2008, 10:29 PM

Time to get everyone on record.

There are some folks around here intent on telling STH how to spend their money.

That STH's are to blame for the state of the franchise. It's the fault of STH's that Carl Peterson is still in charge down at 1 Arrowhead Drive.

Don't hold back, tell us how you feel.

Personally, I think no different of someone who chooses not to, or doesn't have the money to be a STH. That's a personal decision, what you do with your money is none of my business, IMO.

Fans are fans, whether they make a financial commitment to the franchise or not. I don't think that it's anyone's place to belittle a group of fans because of the financial commitment or lack thereof towards their team.

This is a no-holds barred thread. Be honest.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-03-2008, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru

Oh I agree. It would take A TON of STHs canceling and A TON of fans resisting the temptation to purchase.

It will never happen and we all know that.

Well, the rational among us know that.

unlurking · 01-03-2008, 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan

Fans are assholes. They keep buying stuff keeping our team shitty. Dumbasses

Yep, the base needs to be rebuilt. They need to be quiet.

el borracho · 01-03-2008, 10:58 PM

In the 90s I went 8 years without eating red meat and guess what- they still killed the cows.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-03-2008, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by el borracho

In the 90s I went 8 years without eating red meat and guess what- they still killed the cows.

unlurking · 01-03-2008, 10:59 PM

eet mor chik'n

**MahiMike** · 01-03-2008, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Buehler445

Absolutely not.

Season Ticket Holders are not to blame. An organization that bases itself on loyalty is the problem.

Without fans, this team doesn't exist.

It should not fall to driving away fans before changes are made. It is completely asenine. Evaluation should occur based on performance not loyalty.

Frankly, I don't think it will make any difference. From what I've seen, Carl is the GM come hell or high water. Carl focuses on money, but I'm not sure Clark does. There are lots of dudes out there that can make money. Dudesthat aren't bashed in the local media and hated by fans. From what I can tell it is all about loyalty.

I'm a n00b. If you think I'm wrong, I probably am.

ok, you're wrong. As long as Carl can keep butts in seats, 8-8 seasons will continue to be the norm. Only when the fans quit buying tickets will change be possible.

**Bugeater** · 01-03-2008, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by el borracho

In the 90s I went 8 years without eating red meat and guess what- they still killed the cows.

They were delicious.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-03-2008, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MahiMike

ok, you're wrong. As long as Carl can keep butts in seats, 8-8 seasons will continue to be the norm. Only when the fans quit buying tickets will change be possible.

Riiight.

Lest we forget it took Clark's father 12 years of 25% capacity for him to make a change.

You live in a fantasy world if you think anything is getting CP out of Arrowhead any earlier than 2009.

Blaming the fans? Childish.

Blame the owner.

Logical · 01-03-2008, 11:05 PM

Like I have tried to explain in the other thread, I don't feel you as a STH are causing the Chiefs problems, I also don't feel you are bad fans. I do feel you are not doing the one pro-active act that you as a fan can do to force the Chiefs to replace the entire front office and that is to deny them revenue which will get Clark's attention pronto.

el borracho · 01-03-2008, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GoBo

They were delicious.

Yes, they are (I eat red meat all the time, now).

Logical · 01-03-2008, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Funny you bring that up.

Vlad is on his high horse in another thread calling out STH's as the problem.

Yet he discloses that he was a STH between 1977 and 1989.

So it's perfectly fine for him to sit at Arrowhead for 12 years without "sending a message," it's wrong of current STH's to do the same.

Bit hypocritical, eh?

I don't see that as hypocritical, I canceled my season tickets the year they fired Steadman, was I the cause, no, was I a contribution to the cause I would like to think so. Hey Steadman only got around 12 years, Carl has had what is it now 17 or I think that is quite a bit more failure and face facts if you are not at least making the big dance you are failing no matter what your regular season record is each year.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-03-2008, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

Like I have tried to explain in the other thread, I don't feel you as a STH are causing the Chiefs problems, I also don't feel you are bad fans. I do feel you are not doing the one pro-active act that you as a fan can do to force the Chiefs to replace the entire front office and that is to deny them revenue which will get Clark's attention pronto.

Like it did with Lamar and Steadman?

12 years of Arrowhead at 25% before a change was made.

Or I can be patient, wait 2 years, and he'll be gone.

Again, you're fooling yourself if you think Clark is going to make a change PERIOD, much less based on the fans thinking.

And if "trying to explain" = dishing out backhanded compliments, then you did a bang-up job.

Luzap · 01-03-2008, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

...Fans are fans, whether they make a financial commitment to the franchise or not. I don't think that it's anyone's place to belittle a group of fans because of the financial commitment or lack thereof towards their team...

No, let's just belittle the fans that like Carl Peterson.
Or that like Herm Edwards.
Or that believe the team is going in the right direction.
Or that believe the Hunt's know what they're doing.
Or that want to enjoy the team no matter what.
Or that like Bob Gretz.
Or that like Rufas Dawes.

We all know that you're not a real fan unless you can lambaste someone. Unless you've got all the answers. Unless you can go postal on anyone with a positive attitude.

The truth is most people don't hate Carl, Herm, or the Chiefs. They don't hate Gretz or Dawes, and they don't all buy into the Whitlock spin. They are willing to support a rebuilding effort and do feel that we're going in the right direction. You want the truth? That's the truth.

Luz
the truth? you can't handle the truth...

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-03-2008, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

I don't see that as hypocritical, I canceled my season tickets the year they fired Steadman, was I the cause, no, was I a contribution to the cause I would like to think so. Hey Steadman only got around 12 years, Carl has had what is it now 17 or I think that is quite a bit more failure and face facts if you are not at least making the big dance you are failing no matter what your regular season record is each year.

Am I correct in understanding you cancelled your tickets because you moved?

Because that is how it has come across.

If so, why didn't you send a message in Year 6?

Year 8?

Year 10?

Deberg_1990 · 01-03-2008, 11:19 PM

The fans are not the problem
Carl Peterson is not the problem
Herm Edwards is not the problem

The Hunts are the problem for just being satisfied with mediocrity.

01-03-2008, 10:29 PM
OnTheWarpath15 MVP Join Date: Sep 2005 Casino cash: $4651115	State your position, for the record. STH the problem? Time to get everyone on record. There are some folks around here intent on telling STH how to spend their money. That STH's are to blame for the state of the franchise. It's the fault of STH's that Carl Peterson is still in charge down at 1 Arrowhead Drive. Don't hold back, tell us how you feel. Personally, I think no different of someone who chooses not to, or doesn't have the money to be a STH. That's a personal decision, what you do with your money is none of my business, IMO. Fans are fans, whether they make a financial commitment to the franchise or not. I don't think that it's anyone's place to belittle a group of fans because of the financial commitment or lack thereof towards their team. This is a no-holds barred thread. Be honest.
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el borracho In Pat We Trust Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Albuquerque, NM Casino cash: $5839148	In the 90s I went 8 years without eating red meat and guess what- they still killed the cows.
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Logical Screw U if U can't take a joke Join Date: Aug 2000 Casino cash: $10004900	Like I have tried to explain in the other thread, I don't feel you as a STH are causing the Chiefs problems, I also don't feel you are bad fans. I do feel you are not doing the one pro-active act that you as a fan can do to force the Chiefs to replace the entire front office and that is to deny them revenue which will get Clark's attention pronto.
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Deberg_1990 In Search of a Life Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: San Antonio Tx. Casino cash: $3454454	The fans are not the problem Carl Peterson is not the problem Herm Edwards is not the problem The Hunts are the problem for just being satisfied with mediocrity. __________________ Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning: Matt once made a very nice play in Seattle where he spun away from a pass rusher and hit Bowe off his back foot for a first down. One of the best plays Matt has ever made.
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