Chiefs How patient will YOU be with Brodie Croyle? - Page 2

TRR · 07-22-2008, 02:18 PM

Nearing training camp, I'm starting to wonder how soon fellow KC fans will start throwing Croyle under the bus. Last season, Croyle struggled, but had no real help to give KC fans an honest look at what he can do. This season, the line should be a bit better, a healthy LJ should give him a legitimate playmaker in the backfield, and an entire offseason of working as the starting QB could only help...

BUT...

I remember how impatient KC fans were with Trent Green. Most were ready to kill him after the 2001 season, and still weren't happy with him after the 2002 season. Even at the end, after Green became one of the great Chiefs QB's in recent memory, fans were quick to rip him apart, and resurrect the name "TrINT".

My question is, (1) how long will you give Croyle to prove himself? Half the season? All season? And (2) what does he need to do to be brought back as the starting QB for the 2009 season?

Thoughts...

TRR · 07-22-2008, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

This will be his THIRD year, if he doesn't show signs of improvement eight games into, he's likely a bust.

It's his third season, but he's barely played. Last season was the first year he even got some snaps in practice and in games. He's also been through a couple of O Coordinators as well. Experience is key, and Brodie hasn't gotten it by riding the pine or holding a clipboard in practice.

Deberg_1990 · 07-22-2008, 02:35 PM

Leftwich will be starting for us by week 8.

kcxiv · 07-22-2008, 02:36 PM

3rd quarter of the 2008 season. He has to start being a decent QB by game 12.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-22-2008, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990

Leftwich will be starting for us by week 8.

If this dumbass fan base had any say, he would have been starting for us by Week 8 of LAST year...

BigChiefFan · 07-22-2008, 02:37 PM

If players like Jake Plummer can be starters, then Croyle doesn't get a free pass from me. Sorry, but he needs to show he can win games, throw more TDs than INTs, and stay healthy. It's called PROFESSIONAL sports, time to take off the kid gloves.

TRR · 07-22-2008, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

If players like Jake Plummer can be starters, then Croyle doesn't get a free pass from me. Sorry, but he needs to show he can win games, throw more TDs than INTs, and stay healthy. It's called PROFESSIONAL sports, time to take off the kid gloves.

Then Trent Green should have never been brought back for the 2002 season and beyond if it were up to you....

Micjones · 07-22-2008, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

I don't think any young, inexperienced QB can prove what he is in 8 games. And when I say that, I'm not even considering last season because he had next to nothing to work with.

I can quickly name 4 who've done so, recently, in less than 8.

Next to nothing to work with?
He had two pass catchers who totaled more than 2,000 receiving yards.

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KC still needs to build around him. The O Line still needs a lot of time to gel. McIntosh is playing a new position along with Albert who is a rookie. Niswanger has only played in a handful of games. Adrian Jones is a RT moving to RG, and he doesn't have too much playing time. KC still doesn't have a legitimate #2 WR that we know of, and it's a new offensive scheme.

And again...
Every young QB has obstacles to overcome.
These are readymade excuses for why he cannot show us something to warrant more development time.

Why hand him the job?

BigChiefFan · 07-22-2008, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

It's his third season, but he's barely played. Last season was the first year he even got some snaps in practice and in games. He's also been through a couple of O Coordinators as well. Experience is key, and Brodie hasn't gotten it by riding the pine or holding a clipboard in practice.

He played in NINE games, add the eight(this upcoming season) that some think is just and that's seventeen games, PLUS preseason. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out if he's worth a damn or not. His play should dictate that he's improving. That's a full year of experience, plus all of the tutelage of three years-that's ample time.

Quick question how long did Bill Parcells give Cleo Lemon?

Now maybe you'll see this is a business and we shouldn't have to pamper lil Brodie. He either shows signs or improvement or he doesn't.

Micjones · 07-22-2008, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Mic lives in a world where getting raped in PreSeason games is the same as getting experience in a game that actually matters in Week 11.

I live in a world where I realize that players go full bore in the pre-season to avoid injury. If first-team NFL players are giving it their all on the field to protect both themselves and their teammates surely I can evaluate Croyle's play during those games.

But even if you threw out those 3 starts...
Six are enough to have shown us something.
I've proven that before. I'll be glad to rehash that argument.

TRR · 07-22-2008, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

I can quickly name 4 who've done so, recently, in less than 8.

Next to nothing to work with?
He had two pass catchers who totaled more than 2,000 receiving yards

And again...
Every young QB has obstacles to overcome.
These are readymade excuses for why he cannot show us something to warrant more development time.

Why hand him the job?

4 QB's out of 32 teams? And the two weapons he had at WR and TE have to have some reflection upon him as well right?

Young QB's have to overcome obstacles, but usually not a third string RB, and an Offensive Line as bad as the one KC fielded in 2007.

Micjones · 07-22-2008, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

If players like Jake Plummer can be starters, then Croyle doesn't get a free pass from me. Sorry, but he needs to show he can win games, throw more TDs than INTs, and stay healthy. It's called PROFESSIONAL sports, time to take off the kid gloves.

Exactly.

A professional athlete at the highest level of competition in his sport shouldn't be afforded all of these ready-made excuses.

My God...

beach tribe · 07-22-2008, 02:46 PM

The 2008 season. Period.

Micjones · 07-22-2008, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TRR

4 QB's out of 32 teams?

I never said there were only four, but carry on.

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And the two weapons he had at WR and TE have to have some reflection upon him as well right?

Yeah, Tony Gonzalez is indebted to Brodie Croyle.

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Young QB's have to overcome obstacles, but usually not a third string RB, and an Offensive Line as bad as the one KC fielded in 2007.

That has happened in the National Football League before believe it or not.
And again, I can prove that other QB's with similar or greater hurdles were able to produce.

rambleonthruthefog · 07-22-2008, 02:48 PM

he gets all year unless he is just downright terrible. i don't expect him to be terrible.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 07-22-2008, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Micjones

I can quickly name 4 who've done so, recently, in less than 8.

Out of how many?

You might be able to name 4 who have done it, but I can name a hundred (or more) who haven't.

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Originally Posted by Micjones

Next to nothing to work with?
He had two pass catchers who totaled more than 2,000 receiving yards.

And those were the only two offensive weapons on the team. Playing with a patchwork OL and a 3rd string RB.

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Originally Posted by Micjones

And again...
Every young QB has obstacles to overcome.
These are readymade excuses for why he cannot show us something to warrant more development time.

Why hand him the job?

If you haven't seen what makes this kid special, you're not willing to see it, or you're not watching the games.

By your standards, QB's like Manning, (Peyton or Eli) Aikman, Elway, etc would have never started their 2nd season.

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TRR The Priest and I Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: CO Casino cash: $9870185	How patient will YOU be with Brodie Croyle? Nearing training camp, I'm starting to wonder how soon fellow KC fans will start throwing Croyle under the bus. Last season, Croyle struggled, but had no real help to give KC fans an honest look at what he can do. This season, the line should be a bit better, a healthy LJ should give him a legitimate playmaker in the backfield, and an entire offseason of working as the starting QB could only help... BUT... I remember how impatient KC fans were with Trent Green. Most were ready to kill him after the 2001 season, and still weren't happy with him after the 2002 season. Even at the end, after Green became one of the great Chiefs QB's in recent memory, fans were quick to rip him apart, and resurrect the name "TrINT". My question is, (1) how long will you give Croyle to prove himself? Half the season? All season? And (2) what does he need to do to be brought back as the starting QB for the 2009 season? Thoughts...
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rambleonthruthefog Veteran Join Date: May 2008 Location: Austin, Texas Casino cash: $5225026	he gets all year unless he is just downright terrible. i don't expect him to be terrible.
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