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Old 07-15-2012, 12:44 PM  
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Does anything less than a playoff appearance = Bye Bye Pioli?
This isn't a thread bashing Pioli it's simply to encourage discussion.

The Facts:

The Chiefs have finished in last place 2 out of the 3 seasons since Pioli took over.

The Chiefs have averaged 7 wins under the Pioli regime.

The 2009 draft= Fail

The Trade for Matt Cassel turns out it wasn't good.

Already fired one coach missing the playoffs this year with this squad would mean Crennel isn't that good of a coach.

So does anything less than a playoff appearance= failure? If so that would be 3 out of 4 years Pioli has failed. That gets you walking papers with most franchises.
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Old 07-15-2012, 01:13 PM   #16
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We were technically last place last year, but it's not nearly the same magnitude of "last place" as the first time. We were as close as making one of two blocked field goals in that horrible game against the Raiders to winning the division for a second consecutive year.

Our team may not be a perennial contender yet, but you can see the progress. Our team was pretty awful when he came aboard, and talent and depth at every position has improved since he arrived (even at QB, arguably). He demonstrated this offseason that he's able to land top-flight free agents (Winston).

Obviously, he's made some mistakes (Cassel's massive contract being the one that stands out the most), but who would we hire when he's gone who would do better? Last year was almost undoubtedly a playoff year before the injuries (and almost was despite them). I expect the Chiefs to do better this year, but suppose they finish 10-6 and miss the playoffs? That's certainly possible, but it's not worth firing Pioli over. If we lay down a massive turd of a season (say, 4-12 or something), then there's more reason to fire him.
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Old 07-15-2012, 01:15 PM   #17
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I know some people say this, but what exactly should the Hunts do differently?
I dont know. I wish I had an answer. IMO Hunt's only truly care about $$$$$$$$$$
Putting a product on the field that competes is way down the list of Hunt priorities in IMHO.
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Old 07-15-2012, 01:16 PM   #18
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IMO, this is Cassel's make or break year. Actually last year was, but he wiggled out of that somehow.


Pioli has put a pretty good roster together, but IMO some of his mess ups have been bigger than his successes. If he messes this up with Bowe and we miss the playoffs, that oculd be the dagger.
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Old 07-15-2012, 01:16 PM   #19
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Our team was pretty awful when he came aboard, and talent and depth at every position has improved since he arrived (even at QB, arguably).

People seem to forget this too often.
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Old 07-15-2012, 01:17 PM   #20
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I dont know. I wish I had an answer. IMO Hunt's only truly care about $$$$$$$$$$
Putting a product on the field that competes is way down the list of Hunt priorities in IMHO.
I was just wondering.



Alot of people say "Blame the Hunts", which is entirely possible that it is their fault. However I don't know what owners can do in this situation to change.
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Old 07-15-2012, 01:18 PM   #21
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If Clark's sole goal is to make money, Pioli is his man and he will stay.
How does this make ANY sense. Wins= season ticket holders, and more money. So I guess you meant if Clark wants to win, then Pioli is his man, and I have to agree. Even though I know that's not what you meant.
To answer the OP, I would have to say yes. If we do not make the POs, Pioli should at least be on the hot seat.
Man, if wasn't for one position, there really wouldn't be a reason for anyone to say shit. Pioli has done an awesome job at just about everything else, and i know he sees Cassel's short comings because he's done everything he would seemingly need to do put Cassel in position to succeed, and I believe he's gonna have a better season than 2010, no matter how bad we hate him.
Winston, and the running game are going to have more impact than people here realize.
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Old 07-15-2012, 01:24 PM   #22
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I think that he stays for at least 5 more years. He has done a good job building a team except for one position.



Too bad it's the most important position.
/end of thread. Well stated.
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Old 07-15-2012, 01:25 PM   #23
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I dont know. I wish I had an answer. IMO Hunt's only truly care about $$$$$$$$$$
Putting a product on the field that competes is way down the list of Hunt priorities in IMHO.
Again. More wins = more money. SBs = big time bucks. Winning, and making are one in the same.
How someone could believe that clark doesn't want to win regardless of his motives is beyond me.
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Old 07-15-2012, 01:26 PM   #24
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I don't think there has been anything to convict Pioli on that would call for a firing anytime soon. He's taken on a huge task imo and done fair with it. I would have parted ways with Cassel as a starter and let it be an open comp now during this whole off season/ota/tc, but he thinks Cassel can get them going again. Got to wait see on that.

Much as you guys don't want to admit it, Cassel has enough talent to at least go to the playoffs with this talented team, but a lot is riding on the regained performance of Jamaal Charles & Eric Berry, Moeaki too, to some degree. Point is, he did it once already with the Chiefs and I think we can agree this year's team should be a bit more talented than the 2010 team.

If Cassel can in fact keep that INT # down while striking once or twice a game, the Chiefs will have a winning season, I would expect. Sorry to say. I hate watching that baseball wind up of his, but if he gets the job done, it will be hard to criticize Pioli for sticking with him another season imo. Maybe Daboll can get these wideouts to get off the ball more quickly and that would help Cassel in the passing game.

I don't expect the Chiefs to do well, myself and I expect Cassel to choke out this season. RC will pull him by season's end. Late in the season after they lose WC/Playoff contention. Maybe game 12, something like that.
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Old 07-15-2012, 01:28 PM   #25
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Again. More wins = more money. SBs = big time bucks. Winning, and making are one in the same.
How someone could believe that clark doesn't want to win regardless of his motives is beyond me.
He wants to win. But does he want to spend the cash that it takes to put a winner on the field? 40 years of broken down hasbeen's
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Look at Pioli's draft this year. All developmental guys.

He isn't going anywhere.
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Again. More wins = more money. SBs = big time bucks. Winning, and making are one in the same.
How someone could believe that clark doesn't want to win regardless of his motives is beyond me.
Well, there was a significant increase in season ticket after they simply made the playoffs a couple of years ago, and that's not incredibly difficult in today's NFL. I'm sure he wants them to be successful enough to sell out Arrowhead, avoid blackouts, etc... but, that doesn't mean he's passionate about winning a Super Bowl.
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No matter what kinda season the Chiefs have... If that stadium is full every week Pioli & Cassell will be there until they retire
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