NFL's projecting the '14 cap at $126.3 million

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

10 million for Brandon Flowers next year?

how is that not the definition of "bullshit" ?

I presume you're not one of the people that is still caterwauling over losing Carr, then.

If you want the definition of bullshit, go look at the contract Carr's sporting.

Flowers has a fair contract and had he hit the open market that season he'd have likely done far better.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I presume you're not one of the people that is still caterwauling over losing Carr, then.

If you want the definition of bullshit, go look at the contract Carr's sporting.

Flowers has a fair contract and had he hit the open market that season he'd have likely done far better.

i don't argue that he doesn't have a fair contract. But I'm arguing it's a contract that would you restructure it? The dead money makes it impossible for him to be cut. There's almost no flexibility with his, Tamba or now Bowes contract. Flowers clearly isn't playing as a 10 million CB is my argument. (I don't think Carr is either)

but if I want a 10 million CB it isn't a Flowers or a Carr. I'd give to a Revis, Haden, Sherman, etc. is my point. It's a high premium to pay for a guy that's getting beat more than ever this season. Is it position change? Has he lost a step? I don't know. But we are paying him that much to have Cooper and Smith on the outside 50 percent of game with him covering whatever is left, how is that worth that much? Is it?

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I presume you're not one of the people that is still caterwauling over losing Carr, then.

If you want the definition of bullshit, go look at the contract Carr's sporting.

Flowers has a fair contract and had he hit the open market that season he'd have likely done far better.

On MNF they were just ripping Jerry Jones for giving that deal to Carr.

This place melted down like a bunch of morons over that deal. There were some epically bad opinions on that whole thing.

[sedated]

Originally Posted by ComoLaz

say whatever you want about not winning etc but Pioli didn't overspend and screw up the cap

Lol, when we dont sign anyone the gripe is that the Chiefs are cheap. When we are 3 million under the cap, its overspending and screwing up the cap.

People are dumb.

[Mr. Laz]

3 million cap space before we do any maneuvering?


we're pretty good

[Strongside]

Cut Daniel, Robinson...let Albert walk.

We need to pay Berry and Houston...TJAX should be re signed as well. Lotta money on that defensive side of the ball.

[DJ's left nut]

Pioli was actually pretty cap savvy; it was the one thing he did well.

Bowe's contract is what's really going to haunt us next year. Hali's is getting pretty rough as well, but I'm not interested in an extension there as I think we have him signed up for exactly as long as we should.

[BossChief]

Berry signing an extension would clear a few million
2.8 to rollover from this year
Dunta saves us 3+ million
Chase saves us a couple million

If we needed to get 15million under, I'm sure we could.

Lots of wiggle room to get things done.

[mcaj22]

a 5 year Alex Smith contract could clear a few million off his 7.5 value

lol

[Strongside]

Don't forget about Jeremy Maclin's salary. I give it a 90% chance he's on this team next year.

[BossChief]

With the emergence of Cooper (sans rookie troubles) and Sean Smith signed for half of Flowers cap money, I wonder if they approach Flowers about a paycut this year or next.

[Mojo Jojo]

Originally Posted by BossChief

With the emergence of Cooper (sans rookie troubles) and Sean Smith signed for half of Flowers cap money, I wonder if they approach Flowers about a paycut this year or next.

Didn't Flowers restructure prior to this season? Will he be willing to again?

[Mr. Laz]

Kansas City Chiefs

Player	Position	Contract Terms
Husain Abdullah	Defensive Back	2/18/2013: Signed a one-year, $715,000 contract. 2014: Free Agent
Branden Albert	Tackle	3/18/2013: Signed a one-year, $9.828 million contract. The deal is fully guaranteed.
Jeff Allen	Guard	5/15/2012: Signed a four-year, $4.64 million contract. The deal included a $1.817 million signing bonus. 2013: $591,083, 2014: $762,166, 2015: $973,249, 2016: Free Agent
Jon Asamoah	Guard	7/22/2010: Signed a four-year, $2.702 million contract. The deal included a $912,120 signing bonus. 2013: $1.323 million, 2014: Free Agent
Donnie Avery	Wide Receiver	3/13/2013: Signed a three-year, $8.55 million contract. The deal included a $1.5 million signing bonus. Another $2.55 million is available through incentives.
Allen Bailey	Defensive Lineman	7/28/2011: Signed a four-year, $2.596 million contract. The deal included a $555,944 signing bonus. Another $74,000 is available through incentives. An annual $25,000 workout bonus is available in years two through four. 2013: $555,000, 2014: $645,000, 2015: Free Agent
Eric Berry	Defensive Back	7/30/2010: Signed a five-year, $60 million contract. The deal contains $34 million guaranteed. An annual $300,000 workout bonus is available in years two through five. 2013: $7,009,000, 2014: $8.417 million, 2015: $5.155 million (Voidable Year), 2016: Free Agent
Dwayne Bowe	Wide Receiver	3/4/2013: Signed a five-year, $56 million contract. The deal contains $26 million guaranteed -- a $15 million signing bonus, Bowe's 2013 and 2014 base salaries, and $1.75 million of his 2015 salary. Bowe is eligible for annual $250,000 workout bonuses throughout the contract's life. 2013: $750,000, 2014: $8.75 million, 2015: $10.75 million, 2016-2017: $9.75 million, 2018: Free Agent
Tyler Bray	Quarterback	4/27/2013: Signed a three-year contract.
Mike Catapano	Linebacker	5/10/2013: Signed a four-year contract.
Jamaal Charles	Running Back	12/11/2010: Signed a six-year, $27.97 million contract. The deal contains $13 million guaranteed, including an $8 million first-year roster bonus and $2 million of his second-year salary. Another $5 million is available through incentives. An annual $250,000 workout bonus is available in years two through six. 2013: $1.75 million, 2014: $2.25 million, 2015: $4.75 million, 2016: Free Agent
Dustin Colquitt	Punter	3/4/2013: Signed a five-year, $18.75 million contract. The deal contains $8.9 million guaranteed. 2013: $950,000, 2014-15: $2.95 million, 2016: $3.6 million, 2017: $4.05 million, 2018: Free Agent
Sanders Commings	Defensive Back	5/23/2013: Signed a four-year, $2.4 million contract. The deal included a $215,512 signing bonus.
Marcus Cooper	Defensive Back	5/10/2013: Signed a four-year, $2.205 million contract. The deal included a $45,896 signing bonus.
Chase Daniel	Quarterback	3/12/2013: Signed a three-year, $10 million contract. The deal contains $4.8 million guaranteed, including a $3 million signing bonus. Daniel's contract can void after any season in which he passes for 2,000 yards and 12 touchdowns. 2013: $800,000, 2014: $2.4 million, 2015: $3.8 million, 2016: Free Agent
Knile Davis	Running Back	5/13/2013: Signed a four-year, $2.751 million contract. The deal included a $516,016 signing bonus.
Quintin Demps	Defensive Back	5/22/2013: Signed a one-year, $715,000 contract.
Mike DeVito	Defensive Lineman	3/12/2013: Signed a three-year, $12.6 million contract. The deal contains $6.2 million guaranteed, including a $4.2 million signing bonus.
Anthony Fasano	Tight End	3/12/2013: Signed a four-year, $16 million contract. The deal included a $4.5 million signing bonus.
Eric Fisher	Tackle	7/26/2013: Signed a four-year, $22.19 million contract. The deal is fully guaranteed, including a $14.518 million signing bonus. 2013: $405,000, 2014: $495,000 (+ $918,659 reporting bonus), 2015: $585,000 (+ $1,837,318 reporting bonus), 2016: $675,000 (+ $2,755,977 reporting bonus), 2017: Club Option, 2018: Free Agent
Brandon Flowers	Defensive Back	9/16/2011: Signed a six-year, $49.35 million contract. The deal contains $22 million guaranteed, including a $10 million signing bonus. $11 million of Flowers' guaranteed money is guaranteed for both skill and injury, although the other $11 million is guaranteed solely for injury. Another $1.25 million is available through escalators applicable to the final year. Flowers is eligible for annual $250,000 workout bonuses in seasons two through six. 2013: $3.35 million (+ $4 million "signing" bonus), 2014: $5.25 million (+ $2 million reporting bonus), 2015: $6.25 million (+ $2 million reporting bonus), 2016: $6.5 million (+ $2 million reporting bonus), 2017: Free Agent
Thomas Gafford	Center	3/19/2013: Signed a one-year, $715,000 contract. The deal includes a $10,000 workout bonus. 2013: $705,000, 2014: Free Agent
Cyrus Gray	Running Back	5/11/2012: Signed a four-year, $2.168 million contract. The deal included a $68,000 signing bonus. 2013: $480,000, 2014: $570,000, 2015: $660,000, 2016: Free Agent
Tamba Hali	Linebacker	8/3/2011: Signed a five-year, $57.5 million contract. The deal contains $35 million guaranteed, including a $15 million signing bonus. An annual $250,000 workout bonus is available in years two through five. 2013: $12.25 million, 2014: $6.25 million (+ $2 million roster bonus), 2015: $6.75 million (+ $2 million roster bonus), 2016: Free Agent
Junior Hemingway	Wide Receiver	12/29/2012: Signed a three-year, $1.44 million contract. 2013: $480,000, 2014: $570,000, 2015: Restricted Free Agent
Ricky Henry	Guard	12/15/2012: Signed a two-year, $1.02 million contract. 2013: $555,000, 2014: Restricted Free Agent
Justin Houston	Linebacker	8/4/2011: Signed a four-year, $2.786 million contract. The deal included a $671,248 signing bonus. An annual $25,000 workout bonus is available in years two through four. 2013: $555,000, 2014: $645,000, 2015: Free Agent
Jaye Howard	Defensive Lineman	5/10/2012: Signed a four-year, $2.535 million contract. The deal included a $435,000 signing bonus. 2013: $480,000, 2014: $570,000, 2015: $660,000, 2016: Free Agent
Rodney Hudson	Center	7/28/2011: Signed a four-year, $3.506 million contract. The deal included a $1.05 million singing bonus. 2013: $643,736, 2014: $803,104, 2015: Free Agent
Tyson Jackson	Defensive Lineman	3/5/2013: Signed a one-year, $4.7 million contract. The deal contains $4 million guaranteed. Another $500,000 is available through playing-time incentives. 2013: $4.2 million (+ $500,000 workout bonus), 2014: Free Agent
A.J. Jenkins	Wide Receiver	6/20/2012: Signed a four-year, $6.947 million contract. The deal included a $3.49 million signing bonus. 2013: $705,797, 2014: $1,021,594, 2015: $660,000, 2016: Free Agent
James-Michael Johnson	Linebacker	5/9/2012: Signed a four-year, $2.52 million contract. The deal included a $424,000 signing bonus. 2013: $480,000, 2014: $570,000, 2015: $660,000, 2016: Free Agent
Rishaw Johnson	Guard	12/5/2012: Signed a three-year, $1.44 million contract. 2013: $480,000, 2014: $570,000, 2015: Restricted Free Agent
Nico Johnson	Linebacker	6/6/2013: Signed a four-year, $2.671 million contract. The deal included a $486,000 signing bonus.
Derrick Johnson	Linebacker	11/8/2010: Signed a six-year, $36.475 million contract. The deal includes $15 million guaranteed. An annual $250,000 workout bonus is available in years two through six. 2013: $2.25 million, 2014: $3 million, 2015: $4 million, 2016: Free Agent
Dominique Jones	Tight End	1/7/2013: Signed a two-year, $1.05 million contract. 2013: $480,000, 2014: $570,000, 2015: Restricted Free Agent
Akeem Jordan	Linebacker	4/13/2013: Signed a one-year, $735,000 contract. The deal included a $20,000 signing bonus. 2013: $715,000, 2014: Free Agent
Travis Kelce	Tight End	6/6/2013: Signed a four-year, $3.126 million contract. The deal included a $703,304 signing bonus.
Colin Kelly	Tackle
Eric Kush	Center	5/10/2013: Signed a four-year contract.
Kendrick Lewis	Defensive Back	6/29/2010: Signed a four-year, $1,996,900 contract. The deal included an initial roster bonus of $206,900. 2013: $1.323 million, 2014: Free Agent
Dexter McCluster	Wide Receiver	7/28/2010: Signed a four-year, $5.15 million contract. The deal contains $3.15 million guaranteed, including a $2.24 million signing bonus. Another $910,000 is available through a onetime "likely to be earned" escalator clause. 2013: $630,000 (+ $210,000 roster bonus), 2014: Free Agent
Sean McGrath	Tight End	12/18/2012: Signed a four-year, $1.875 million contract. 2013: $405,000, 2014: $495,000, 2015: $585,000, 2016: Restricted Free Agent
Dezman Moses	Linebacker	4/30/2012: Signed a three-year, $1,443,500 contract. The deal included a $3,500 signing bonus. 2013: $480,000, 2014: $570,000, 2015: Restricted Free Agent
Ron Parker	Defensive Back	1/15/2013: Signed a two-year, $1.2 million contract. 2013: $555,000, 2014: $645,000, 2015: Free Agent
Dontari Poe	Defensive Lineman	7/26/2012: Signed a four-year, $11,320,006 contract. The deal included a $6,672,730 signing bonus. 2013: $904,456, 2014: $1,419,092, 2015: $1,933,638, 2016: Free Agent
Jerrell Powe	Defensive Lineman	12/3/2013: Signed an undisclosed contract.
Chiefs QB	Quarterback
Dunta Robinson	Defensive Back	3/8/2013: Signed a three-year, $13.8 million contract. The deal contains $3.95 million guaranteed -- a $3 million signing bonus and Robinson's first-year base salary. Another $1.2 million is available through incentives. 2013: $950,000 (+ $750,000 roster bonus + $50,000 workout bonus), 2014: $3.25 million (+ $1 million roster bonus + $100,000 workout bonus), 2015: $3.6 million (+ $1 million roster bonus + $100,000 workout bonus), 2016: Free Agent
Geoff Schwartz	Tackle	3/15/2013: Signed a one-year contract. 2013: $630,000, 2014: Free Agent
Anthony Sherman	Running Back	7/29/2011: Signed a four-year, $2,246,900 contract. The deal included a $206,900 signing bonus. 2013: $555,000, 2014: $645,000, 2015: Free Agent
Alex Smith	Quarterback	3/20/2012: Signed a three-year, $24 million contract. The deal contains $9 million guaranteed -- an initial roster bonus of $3 million, all of Smith's 2012 base salary, and $1 million of his 2013 salary. Another $9 million is available through incentives, though $5.25 million of them are "unlikely to be earned." An annual $250,000 workout bonus is available. 2013: $7.5 million (+ $1 million roster bonus due in March), 2014: $7.5 million, 2015: Free Agent
Sean Smith	Defensive Back	3/14/2013: Signed a three-year, $16.5 million contract. The deal includes $7.465 million guaranteed. Another $1.5 million is available through escalators. 2013: Under Contract, 2014: $3.45 million, 2015: Under Contract, 2016: Free Agent
Donald Stephenson	Tackle	5/17/2012: Signed a four-year, $2,737,500 contract. The deal included a $637,500 signing bonus. 2013: $480,000, 2014: $570,000, 2015: $660,000, 2016: Free Agent
Ryan Succop	Place Kicker	12/30/2011: Signed a six-year, $14.48 million contract. The deal contains $4 million guaranteed, including a $2 million signing bonus and all of Succop's second-year salary. Another $675,000 is available through incentives based on Pro Bowl and playoff appearances. An annual $50,000 workout bonus in years three through six. 2013-14: $1.95 million, 2015: $2.75 million, 2016: $2.9 million, 2017: Free Agent
Rokevious Watkins	Guard	8/2/2013: Signed an undisclosed contract.
Kyle Williams	Wide Receiver	5/20/2010: Signed a four-year, $1,869,350 contract. The deal included a $79,350 signing bonus. 2013: $630,000, 2014: Free Agent
Frank Zombo	Linebacker	4/3/2013: Signed a one-year, $640,000 contract. The deal contains a $10,000 workout bonus. 2013: $630,000, 2014: Free Agent

[Mile High Mania]

I was listening to Sirius NFL the other morning and I think I heard this right, in 2014, the Raiders are projected to be like $74M under the cap - tons of room to make things right, but they're the Raiders and will screw it up.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by Mile High Mania

I was listening to Sirius NFL the other morning and I think I heard this right, in 2014, the Raiders are projected to be like $74M under the cap - tons of room to make things right, but they're the Raiders and will screw it up.

Well that means they'll sign 3 players and chew up about $60 million of that.