KK wrong about success of ASG

[KingPriest2]

Remember when we were awarded the ASG and KK said that KC will be a embarrassment? Then last summer a article in SI had a player talking about coming here and some players weren't sure. KK took off with that as ammo saying we shouldn't host the game?

Now he s saying that he expected it

[Dartgod]

Originally Posted by Raiderhader

How many times is your larger point going to change? Because attendance was most certainly your larger point at the beginning of all this.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Raiderhader

How many times is your larger point going to change? Because attendance was most certainly your larger point at the beginning of all this.

Thats funny. I thought the first two comments I made on page one of this thread were that Kansas Citians are more concerned about parking lots than with finding a location where a developer would actually want to build something.

Kaufman opened in 1973. Nearly 40 years later, we've got a Taco Bell...so there's that. I'm sure the construction crew just took a wrong turn, though. There's going to be some serious revitalization going on there any second now. Then you'll show me.

[Saul Good]

Google "things to do near Kauffman Stadium" and click the first result.

It takes you to trip advisor where someone from Chicago asks what there is to do since he is booked at the Sheraton by the stadium. It pretty well captures it.

[Raiderhater]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

Nobody is proposing putting the football stadium downtown. Drive out to the middle of nowhere and devote an entire day to a football game. There are only eight home games a year, so it makes sense.

People don't tailgate 81 times a year for baseball games. They aren't going to eat ballpark nachos and hotdogs for dinner three nights a week for seven months.

Driving to Raytown takes a commitment because you don't work there, you don't shop there, you don't eat there, and you don't socialize there. When you go to Raytown, it is done for the sole purpose of attending the game and leaving town afterwards.

When teams build baseball stadiums downtown, the people are already there. They can leave work, hit up a restaurant, pop into the game, and hang at bars afterwards. The game "fits".

Your first couple of posts were just sarcastic remarks. This is your first post where you actually started to explain your reasoning. I see no mention of financially benefiting he community around he stadium.

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Raiderhader

Your first couple of posts were just sarcastic remarks. This is your first post where you actually started to explain your reasoning. I see no mention of financially benefiting he community around he stadium.

They were sarcastic because the very notion of someone actually developing the area around the sports complex is absurd.

A baseball stadium is an anchor venue which hosts massive events 80 to 90 days per year. Instead of harnessing the economic potential of 2,000,000 people into an area where they might want to engage in revenue generating activities while enjoying a full entertainment experience, we point them towards the middle of nowhere where they park their cars, go directly into the stadium, immediately return to their cars after the game, and leave the area.

[Raiderhater]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

We spent the money anyway, and we got a couple of stadium bars and a carousel. We could have at least built one near all those fancy bars the city is paying for. Maybe people would spend some of their money before and after the games in Kansas City instead of Johnson County.

Here we are, your first mention of spending money in the local community. Post #126. Yeah, that has been your larger point since the beginning.

[Raiderhater]

Originally Posted by Saul Good

They were sarcastic because the very notion of someone actually developing the area around the sports complex is absurd.

A baseball stadium is an anchor venue which hosts massive events 80 to 90 days per year. Instead of harnessing the economic potential of 2,000,000 people into an area where they might want to engage in revenue generating activities while engaging in a full entertainment experience, we point them towards the middle of nowhere where they park their cars, go directly into the stadium, immediately return to their cars after the game, and leave the area.

No, we direct people to a place where they can throw one great big party.

And if you were really concerned about spending money in the community around the ballpark, you would be all for development of that area. What better way to bring money into the community than to create jobs?

[ImAWalkingCorpse]

Am I right to assume that Keitzman owns some property in downtown KCMO?

[Saul Good]

Originally Posted by Raiderhader

No, we direct people to a place where they can throw one great big party.

And if you were really concerned about spending money in the community around the ballpark, you would be all for development of that area. What better way to bring many into the community than to create jobs?

I know that when I think of Kaufman Stadium, I think of of one big party.

Why would I advocate spending tens of millions of dollars to create another entertainment district when the city just did that downtown? Nobody wants to go to that area, and nobody would if the stadiums weren't there.

If Kansas City never had a baseball or football team but were just granted an expansion team, nobody would suggest building the stadium on the Blue Ridge Cutoff.

When it was determined that a new and/or renovated stadium was needed, we should have said "it was a good run, but 40 years have passed, and the surrounding area is worse now than it was then, so it's time for a change".

This is the civil equivalent to deciding between re-upping Matt Cassel and trying to build more weapons around him and drafting a new QB.

[Bowser]

Keitzman is on Facebook as I type this, furiously banging out friend requests to every "Saul" his search comes up with, hoping to find Saul Good.


Saul, your points are not without merit, but I think Reaper nailed it some time back - KC is a travelers city. Everyone here loves to drive. The Complex is literally no more than 30 minutes away for most everybody in the metro, and nobody thinks twice about taking the trip.

In your opinion, had the Royals built downtown and had been playing there the past, say, seven years, do you feel they would have had a significant bump in attendance numbers? Factor in how they've played in that time period before you answer that....

[OnTheWarpath15]

I'm looking at an aerial view of downtown KC, and I'd love to know what city blocks you're going to demolish to make room for a baseball stadium.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'm looking at an aerial view of downtown KC, and I'd love to know what city blocks you're going to demolish to make room for a baseball stadium.

That's the other issue.

I assume they'd have to nuke some crackhouse neighborhoods off to the east of downtown to make it work.

[Reaper16]

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

I'm looking at an aerial view of downtown KC, and I'd love to know what city blocks you're going to demolish to make room for a baseball stadium.

I'm pretty sure that in 10-15 years there will be exactly zero use for the big, new Kansas City Star printing building.

[OnTheWarpath15]

Originally Posted by Bowser

That's the other issue.

I assume they'd have to nuke some crackhouse neighborhoods off to the east of downtown to make it work.

But wait, it has to be close to P/L.

[Bowser]

Originally Posted by Reaper16

I'm pretty sure that in 10-15 years there will be exactly zero use for the big, new Kansas City Star printing building.

What, are you trying to get someone on I-670 murdered when Myers hits a homer onto the ****ing highway??/