Tony Gonzalez's Value - Page 3

jspchief · 10-15-2006, 07:57 PM

Gonzo is up for a contract at the end of 2006. After watching him the last few years, I wonder what his value really is to this team. He seems to lack the playmaking ability he once had. Yea, he's still one of the best TEs in the game. But he's no longer a substitute for a WR like he has been for us over the years. He's not particularly fast, he doesn't break a lot of tackles, and to be honest he doesn't have the greatest hands anymore. He's not some nightmare for defensive coordinators any longer.

I'm just beginning to wonder how much he's really worth to this team. In the past he was a guy you could rely on when other facets of our offense struggled. Now he's just another piece that only seems to work when everything else is working.

If Gonzo comes looking for a contract that puts him in the top 5 of the pay scale for TEs, is he still worth it?

Demonpenz · 10-15-2006, 11:56 PM

I want to see kris wilson in TG's roll for one game. HE has to be faster and be able to get seperation on some linebackers, if not than can we all agree that the kris wilson project can go the way of the dinasour

Hammock Parties · 10-15-2006, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Florida_Bronco

No thanks, we already got our TE of the future.

Maybe bust of the future. That guy hasn't done shit.

Psyko Tek · 10-16-2006, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz

I think if he re-signs for decent money sure keep him. But i'd try to trade him and get something. It's obvious we aren't utilizing him like we have in the past.

I believe He's still got it, but we ain't using him the right way

put him in the slot or something
he's got the hands and size
he shouldn't be covering for our lack of tackles

'Hamas' Jenkins · 10-16-2006, 01:41 AM

With Cruz's Injury, this should be our basic setup

2 TE's (Dunn and Gonzo) or one with Wilson at H-Back
Parker and Kennison at WR
LJ in the backfield.

Wilson should do what Cooley does in the Washington offense and Gonzo should never stay in to block except on rare plays. Dunn plays the role of a 6th OL on the left side (protecting you know who) and LJ and Wilson can act as safety valves underneath or blitz pickups. Kennison and Parker do their normal things.

Mecca · 10-16-2006, 02:19 AM

When Tony Gonzalez lost his speed he lost his threat, now LB's can outrun him so covering him isn't that difficult for defenses.

They better not pay him huge money but they will cause he's one of Carls good picks......

jspchief · 10-16-2006, 06:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowser

Is it his fault, though? Tony does all he's asked to do, including stay in and block. And as far as the hands go, he's really always been hot or cold with his catches. He'll drop gimmies, then make an ubelievable snag.

I know it's been talked to death, but the reason Tony is struggling in the pass game is because Willie Roaf bailed out on the team on the eve of training camp. Willie solidified the left side along with Waters. You couldn't find a better left side of the O-Line anywhere in the league the last 2+years. Not only would that insure that Trent has that extra 1-2 seconds to find an open Gonzo, Roaf was a roadgrater as a run blocker. 8 or 9 guys in the box to stop LJ, Tony is open. Third and long, Trent usually had the time to wait for Tony to get open.

And perhaps this foot injury he's battled has taken more of a toll than what he's let on, as well. Add all that up, and you come up with a good TE, not an All-World TE.

It doesn't matter if it's "his fault" or not. It doesn't change the fact that he's not the weapon he used to be.

And as far as I'm concerned, Gonzo was falling off last year even with Roaf. I'm not talking about dropping stats due to staying in to block. I'm talking about being ineffective when he's on passing routes. James Freakin Farrior shut him down yesterday. There was a time when Gonzo would have shredded someone like Farrior.

It's pretty clear that this team is at a crossroads. I'm beginning to think the direction we should choose doesn't include Tony Gonzalez.

King_Chief_Fan · 10-16-2006, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief

Gonzo is up for a contract at the end of 2006. After watching him the last few years, I wonder what his value really is to this team. He seems to lack the playmaking ability he once had. Yea, he's still one of the best TEs in the game. But he's no longer a substitute for a WR like he has been for us over the years. He's not particularly fast, he doesn't break a lot of tackles, and to be honest he doesn't have the greatest hands anymore. He's not some nightmare for defensive coordinators any longer.

I'm just beginning to wonder how much he's really worth to this team. In the past he was a guy you could rely on when other facets of our offense struggled. Now he's just another piece that only seems to work when everything else is working.

If Gonzo comes looking for a contract that puts him in the top 5 of the pay scale for TEs, is he still worth it?

I look for Tong G. and LJ to tell KC to kiss their foot and look for better teams to play with. You may be right about Tony G's value with this team. I can see him lighting things up as a Bronco though.

Florida_Bronco · 10-16-2006, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by GoChiefs

Maybe bust of the future. That guy hasn't done shit.

Rookie TEs usually don't do much their rookie season, especially in Denver's system where the TE position is so complicated.

patteeu · 10-16-2006, 06:38 AM

Gonzolez is worth resigning, but not as anything close to a top 5 TE. I think he's probably got a couple of a little better than average years left, but that's about it.

sedated · 10-16-2006, 09:19 AM

I'd like to see him break horseface II's records here, but any TE that can't outrun a LB and consistently drops passes isn't worth much

htismaqe · 10-16-2006, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

Re-build?

Not even close with the D-line.

The Chiefs need one stable DT. They are set at end for the next 5 years as long as they re-sign Allen.

The Chiefs shouldn't pay TG like he thinks he should be paid. Dude has fallen off big time. I hope Carl doesn't get stupid with him.

Yes, yes, and yes.

**HemiEd** · 10-16-2006, 09:26 AM

We have our TE of the future. He made a tough catch yesterday for a first down that led to the only Chiefs TD. Kris Wilson!

boogblaster · 10-16-2006, 09:36 AM

The whole picture is hes usually used to block..he also has to block before he can start his route..they throw the ball at his feet or over his head..hes as quality as you can get anywhere....

BIG_DADDY · 10-16-2006, 09:43 AM

Gonzo is treated like the biggest threat in the passing game by other teams. That is why he isn't getting the ball as much. Tony is still the top TE in the game. You are right though his value probably isn't as high in a Herm O as it would be in others.

Mecca · 10-16-2006, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY

Gonzo is treated like the biggest threat in the passing game by other teams. That is why he isn't getting the ball as much. Tony is still the top TE in the game. You are right though his value probably isn't as high in a Herm O as it would be in others.

Paying him a huge contract is part of the reason we don't have a #1 WR seeing as he thought he should be paid like he was one, let's see if he still thinks that. Personally if I have my choice I'd rather pay a WR than a TE, especially an aging TE that is visably declining.

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patteeu The 23rd Pillar Join Date: Sep 2002 Casino cash: $10019237	Gonzolez is worth resigning, but not as anything close to a top 5 TE. I think he's probably got a couple of a little better than average years left, but that's about it.
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