Chiefs Is this team going to be the 2002 Chiefs? - Page 3

bobbything · 08-07-2010, 01:01 PM

Listening to Bill Maas the other day, he went on and on about how good this offense is going to be, and how terrible the defense is. It got me thinking, this team seems to be eerily similar to the early years DV teams...

In 01, the team wasn't particularly good. We traded for Trent Green, who had a pretty horrible year. The defense sucked and the offense was pretty average. But, Priest Holmes emerged late and became the go-to guy.

The following year, the offense took a huge leap. Holmes and Green were both great, and we picked up castoff Kennison, who resurrected his career with KC. The defense still sucked and we finished 8-8.

Last year, we paid an arm and a leg for Cassel who wasn't very good. Charles emerged late as the go-to guy. We picked up castoff Chambers who looks to be resurrecting his career. And all reports out of camp are that the offense looks very, very potent, and our defense sucks.

There seem to be lots of similarities between these two teams. 8-8 again, and essentially a mirror of the 2002 season?

Ebolapox · 08-07-2010, 04:59 PM

how is a second round pick an 'arm and a leg' for cassel? ****, I was against that trade as anybody (as it prevented us from picking sanchez last year and clausen this year), but a second rounder isn't an arm and a leg. ****, at least we didn't do what dallas did when they traded for joey galloway... two first rounders.

**AustinChief** · 08-07-2010, 05:16 PM

I fthis offense isn't as good as 02.. it will be for ONE reason.. o-line is still weak. All the other pieces are equal(holding hope for Cassel) or better (minus TE of course.)

RustShack · 08-07-2010, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

I'll take Castille over Cox any day of the week.

This.

Pasta Little Brioni · 08-07-2010, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

The Chiefs didn't make a lot of changes on defense because a lot of the pieces are already there... It was our first year in the 3-4, its expected to be bad. Not to mention the fact who our DC was, everyone should have known what to expect.. I got bashed by the homers last year for saying he was a terrible hire. Not to mention the fact who our DL coach was, he had no business being with the team after how bad he did the previous few years for us.. not to mention the fact he knew nothing about 3-4 defense.

We have two very talented DE's entering their second year in the 3-4 defense... Our DC is one of the best DL coaches in the league, and his DL coach played almost his entire career on Crennel coached teams. Shaun Smith has been terrible in the 4-3 defense, but his two years with Crennel in the 3-4 he was dominate, and honestly should have went to the Pro Bowl one of those years.

Last year Hali was second in the NFL in QB pressures, and likely would have been up there in sacks if we had better DL play last year.. but I can't say that for sure. The talent is there for DJ, and hes finally working to earn a starting job and not to mention its a contract year, so odds are its finally going to be his breakout year. Vrabel is the needed veteran presence, but will hopefully be splitting a lot of time with promising young guns Sheffield, Studebaker, or anyone else who emerges. I personally like Belcher to be the other ILB, but Mays isn't bad at stopping the run either. If our DL can do its job though, the LB's will look good almost regardless of who it is.

As for the Secondary, Flowers and Carr are easily a top ten duo in the NFL. We now have Eric Berry. Hopefully our defense is good enough to mask the weakness at the other safety position, but our other rook emerging would be real nice. It will probably be McGraw, but like Vrabel hes that smart vet you need on the team even if they aren't the most talented.

So all in all our main two weaknesses are the starting spot next to Berry, an ILB next to DJ, possibly the OLB where Vrabel was last year, and NT which I believe Smith won't be a problem. Edwards isn't a terrible NT either, he just can't play all game all year like last year, hes more of a great backup NT. DL shouldn't be a problem at all though under Crennel, the talent is there. If the DL produces, the who defense will produce.

Interesting take. Player progression is something this franchise has solely lacked over the years.

Pretty optimistic, but I hope you are right. I'm hoping the starting linebackers are Hali, Stude, DJ and Belcher. Studebaker had some pretty good measurables coming out.

RustShack · 08-07-2010, 06:44 PM

Yeah thats my starting LB group too.

RustShack · 08-07-2010, 08:04 PM

But it is kinda funny how this great offense couldn't move the ball on our second string defense today..

**BigMeatballDave** · 08-07-2010, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

I think it is going to be closer to the 1989 Chiefs that Mass played on. 4-11-1 in 1988. Went 8-7-1 in 1989 in Marty's first year, and just missed out on the playoffs.

Except this D isnt nearly as talented.

**Saulbadguy** · 08-07-2010, 08:22 PM

Can someone compare 2001 Trent Green to 2009 Matt Cassel?

**HemiEd** · 08-07-2010, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bobbything

I dunno. Maas was saying that this offense is going to be really, really good. But, who knows...

Does he have some inside information about Brodie taking the job away from Cassel?

**BigMeatballDave** · 08-07-2010, 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

Can someone compare 2001 Trent Green to 2009 Matt Cassel?

Interesting. That has not been done...

Coogs · 08-07-2010, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BCD

Except this D isnt nearly as talented.

Maybe.

Berry
Jackson
Dorsey

...all top 5 picks.

Hali
Johnson

... pretty high picks. You don't get to be high picks with no talent at all, regardless of the system that plays to your strength. Crennel earns his keep, and this defense could rival any defense the Chiefs have every put out on the field. Especially if the "role" players fill in the gaps like they must for any defense to succeed.

Oucho Cinco · 08-07-2010, 08:59 PM

If we were only 8-8 it would still be a tremendous upgrade from the Herman Edwierds years. Talked about playing to win, but quite never figured out how to do it. Maybe someday he will watch the tapes of all of his interviews and realize that he was the problem in KC, not all of the players he threw under the bus.

RustShack · 08-07-2010, 09:02 PM

Odds are if your in the NFL your pretty talented.

RedThat · 08-07-2010, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Maybe.

Berry
Jackson
Dorsey

...all top 5 picks.

Hali
Johnson

... pretty high picks. You don't get to be high picks with no talent at all, regardless of the system that plays to your strength. Crennel earns his keep, and this defense could rival any defense the Chiefs have every put out on the field. Especially if the "role" players fill in the gaps like they must for any defense to succeed.

They have talent BUT I believe they still lack a foundation. They're still missing pieces at critical positions. For one, NT needs to be addressed, and the LBing corps is questionable. If a team is weak in those areas, no matter who your def coordinator is, you can't run a 3-4 efficiently.

Spott · 08-07-2010, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Saulbadguy

Can someone compare 2001 Trent Green to 2009 Matt Cassel?

2001 Trent Green:
3783 yards passing
17 TD
24 INT
56.6 completion pct
71.1 passer rating

2009 Matt Cassel:
2924 yards passing
16 TD
16 INT
55.0 completion pct
69.9 passer rating

08-07-2010, 01:01 PM
bobbything Distributor of Pain Join Date: Nov 2004 Casino cash: $8914900	Is this team going to be the 2002 Chiefs? Listening to Bill Maas the other day, he went on and on about how good this offense is going to be, and how terrible the defense is. It got me thinking, this team seems to be eerily similar to the early years DV teams... In 01, the team wasn't particularly good. We traded for Trent Green, who had a pretty horrible year. The defense sucked and the offense was pretty average. But, Priest Holmes emerged late and became the go-to guy. The following year, the offense took a huge leap. Holmes and Green were both great, and we picked up castoff Kennison, who resurrected his career with KC. The defense still sucked and we finished 8-8. Last year, we paid an arm and a leg for Cassel who wasn't very good. Charles emerged late as the go-to guy. We picked up castoff Chambers who looks to be resurrecting his career. And all reports out of camp are that the offense looks very, very potent, and our defense sucks. There seem to be lots of similarities between these two teams. 8-8 again, and essentially a mirror of the 2002 season?
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08-07-2010, 04:59 PM	#31
Ebolapox remember, remember Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: como Casino cash: $1529903	how is a second round pick an 'arm and a leg' for cassel? **, I was against that trade as anybody (as it prevented us from picking sanchez last year and clausen this year), but a second rounder isn't an arm and a leg. **, at least we didn't do what dallas did when they traded for joey galloway... two first rounders.
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08-07-2010, 05:16 PM	#32
AustinChief Administrator Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Austin Casino cash: $2189112	I fthis offense isn't as good as 02.. it will be for ONE reason.. o-line is still weak. All the other pieces are equal(holding hope for Cassel) or better (minus TE of course.)
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08-07-2010, 06:44 PM	#35
RustShack **** That Noise Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Jack Trice Casino cash: $4536954	Yeah thats my starting LB group too. __________________
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RustShack **** That Noise Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Jack Trice Casino cash: $4536954	But it is kinda funny how this great offense couldn't move the ball on our second string defense today.. __________________
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08-07-2010, 08:22 PM	#38
Saulbadguy When a nightmare becomes real Join Date: Nov 2003 Casino cash: $2096966	Can someone compare 2001 Trent Green to 2009 Matt Cassel?
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08-07-2010, 08:59 PM	#42
Oucho Cinco Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Middle U.S. Casino cash: $10004900	If we were only 8-8 it would still be a tremendous upgrade from the Herman Edwierds years. Talked about playing to win, but quite never figured out how to do it. Maybe someday he will watch the tapes of all of his interviews and realize that he was the problem in KC, not all of the players he threw under the bus.
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08-07-2010, 09:02 PM	#43
RustShack **** That Noise Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Jack Trice Casino cash: $4536954	Odds are if your in the NFL your pretty talented. __________________
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