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Old 08-14-2010, 06:03 PM  
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Say what you want about Cassel, but...
in all honesty, the OL reeks of complete sh*tness.

Most notably O'Callaghan and Niswanger. Those are the two guys that need a ticket out of here. Most definately without question or doubt.

So why not start Wiegman? What does this team have to lose? Why not start Richardson in the beginning of yesterdays game rather than late in the 4th which I thought was a boneheaded move by coach Haley.

I really don't know what this coaching staff sees in Niswanger and O'Callaghan? At the very least, this team should be starting the best players right now or the players that have more upside just to mask the level of sh*tiness that Niswanger and O'Callaghan display.

In the off-season they need to address this area badly. But I've once said this in seasons past and here I am saying it again, the OL is going to be a problem in the regular season. Oh well, it's just the same ole sh*t. nothing but a repetitive theme that gets frustrating.

And there shouldn't be any discussion about this potentially being a good offense or even compare this team to the 2002 Chiefs because the OL comparison is apples and oranges, and this offense is light years away from being as good.
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Old 08-14-2010, 06:34 PM   #31
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It is true, he sufered more sacks than Brady - which is not uncommon or shocking because they blitz the shit out of untested players, and don't get burned like Brady would burn them...

But look at the rest of Cassel's numbers, they were solid...good actually. If the only number you can point to is sacks and try to make the case he 'sucked' in 2008, you are fail.

11 wins
21 Tds
11 picks
QB Rating in the upper 80's
63 or something % complettion

etc..

Solid season, look it up.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/player...644&sYear=2008

8-38 on all passes over 19 yards that year.

only 2 completed passes over 30 yards all year long for a team that broke records the previous year in touchdown passes and the deep ball specifically. In the previous year both Brady and Moss (arguably the best deep ball receiver of all time) broke the respective NFL record for touchdown production.

Add to that the fact that he swallows the ball under pressure and has no feel for the rush and you have some of the reasons the guy is ****ing terrible and has set us back at minimum 3-4 years in development.

Shit, the only real strong point he had in 08 were his passes under 10 yards, and he even struggles with that right now...what does that tell you if the guy has regressed in his only strong point and hasn't improved noticeably in any other category?

To me, that tells me its a pipe dream to think the guy will ever be any better than bottom third of the league at best.
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Old 08-14-2010, 06:37 PM   #32
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To me, that tells me its a pipe dream to think the guy will ever be any better than bottom third of the league at best.
Care to take my wager then?
(Probly looks like peanuts to you rich guys, but hey Im broke!)
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Old 08-14-2010, 06:41 PM   #33
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Old 08-14-2010, 06:41 PM   #34
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It is true, he sufered more sacks than Brady - which is not uncommon or shocking because they blitz the shit out of untested players, and don't get burned like Brady would burn them...

But look at the rest of Cassel's numbers, they were solid...good actually. If the only number you can point to is sacks and try to make the case he 'sucked' in 2008, you are fail.

11 wins
21 Tds
11 picks
QB Rating in the upper 80's
63 or something % complettion

etc..

Solid season, look it up.


Unfortunately for your argument, the Chiefs are not starting Randy Moss and Wes Welker.

Daunte Culpepper made the cover of Madden with the Vikings on the coattails of Randy Moss. He was perceived to be a good quarterback. Moss leaves.....Daunte's career spirals down the toilet.
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Old 08-14-2010, 06:41 PM   #35
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It is true, he sufered more sacks than Brady - which is not uncommon or shocking because they blitz the shit out of untested players, and don't get burned like Brady would burn them...

But look at the rest of Cassel's numbers, they were solid...good actually. If the only number you can point to is sacks and try to make the case he 'sucked' in 2008, you are fail.

11 wins
21 Tds
11 picks
QB Rating in the upper 80's
63 or something % complettion

etc..

Solid season, look it up.
I've seen the stats, but more importantly, I watched the games as they were replayed on NFL Network over the offseason, and it was from watching those games that I learned that Cassel isn't good.

He held the ball too long, couldn't make quick reads, and had a weak arm, all the same problems that still plague him.

I've argued this point with Marcellus a number of times, but he only looked good when the Patriots tweaked the system and played much more from the spread.

He's simply a taller version of Tyler Thigpen.
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Old 08-14-2010, 06:43 PM   #36
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you have a point, I am open to suggestions

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How bout top 20 in yards, TDs and QB rating? Also I will throw in that he must NOT be in the bottom 12 of INTS thrown.

If this is all we're hoping for from our supposed franchise quarterback, we're fooked
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If this is all we're hoping for from our supposed franchise quarterback, we're fooked
I'm hoping for more...

No one will take my bet so far, so I guess so is everyone else...
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Old 08-14-2010, 06:44 PM   #38
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you have a point, I am open to suggestions

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How bout top 20 in yards, TDs and QB rating? Also I will throw in that he must NOT be in the bottom 12 of INTS thrown.
Throw in YPA.
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I've seen the stats, but more importantly, I watched the games as they were replayed on NFL Network over the offseason, and it was from watching those games that I learned that Cassel isn't good.

He held the ball too long, couldn't make quick reads, and had a weak arm, all the same problems that still plague him.

I've argued this point with Marcellus a number of times, but he only looked good when the Patriots tweaked the system and played much more from the spread.

He's simply a taller version of Tyler Thigpen.
a taller, slower, less instinctive, less elusive, non skeleton ****ing version of Thigpen with a weaker arm would be more accurate.

but we aren't gonna talk about accuracy when talking about Cassel...

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as for a bet, Ill have to decline because to me he can suck huge donkey balls and still attain those marks because of the playmaking ability of those around him.
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Old 08-14-2010, 06:48 PM   #41
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Cassel has issues. There's no question.

I think Mr. DeezNutz said it best ... he is not an "instinctive" player. He comes in to work, tries hard, endears himself to the coaching staff with his effort and desire to learn, but in the final analysis, he doesn't have "it". Not when the bullets are flying.

I'd like to be proven wrong. Don't think I will, though.

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Old 08-14-2010, 06:49 PM   #42
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Throw in YPA.
What the heck, sure...

If he doesn't get in the top 20 in those categories I am gonna be depressed anyway, so I might as well give my money to you in that case




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Care to take my wager then?
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What's the wager and terms?
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you know what Id like to see?

A quarterback playing for us that at least once per game gets nailed while delivering a near perfect pass that keeps his team in the game.

I don't think I can remember a single pass Cassel has thrown while getting creamed that didn't get intercepted.

The good quarterbacks to that routinely.
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