Chiefs Chiefs tried to trade Charles - Page 32

Hammock Parties · 01-04-2010, 12:22 AM

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With Texas headed for a National Championship showdown with Alabama, two former Longhorns now playing for the Chiefs performed as if they were back in college and dominating inferior competition Sunday afternoon.

Jamaal Charles and Derrick Johnson ended the Broncos’ playoff hopes and opened positive floodgates for the 2010 Chiefs during a 44-24 win in Denver.

If you had told me before this game that Matt Cassel would only throw for 207 yards, Dwayne Bowe and Charles would catch only one pass combined and Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton would throw for 431 yards, I’d have sworn the Chiefs would have lost on Sunday to end their miserable 2009 season. Instead, they played their best football game of the season.

With Charles setting a Chiefs’ single-game rushing record with 259 yards and Johnson scoring two touchdowns off interception returns, have we seen the birth of the new Chiefs? Did we just witness the genesis of the team we’ll see next season?

It won’t hurt if both Texas standouts are on the roster come September. Charles is a lock, but Johnson is a free agent and has not been a happy camper in Kansas City since Haley arrived with his in-your-face coaching style.

Charles’ big day almost didn’t happen. Before the trade deadline in October, Chiefs’ general manager Scott Pioli offered Charles to the Redskins for a paltry fifth-round pick. But Washington GM Vinny Cerrato felt that was too high a price to pay for a backup running back. That might be why Cerrato was fired last month.

The Chiefs held onto Charles and he has paid huge dividends. A year ago, former Chiefs Vice President of Player Personnel Bill Kuharich told me Charles was going to be a special running back, and that’s why he pushed former GM Carl Peterson to draft him in the third round.

Charles is clearly the go-to back in Kansas City based on his second-half performance this season. Kansas City now has the luxury of pursuing other needs on offense in free agency and the draft.

Johnson, even though he was primarily used in passing situations, clearly has still been KC’s best inside linebacker all season long. The Chiefs now need to make a strong play to keep him, because he’s talented enough that he’ll go somewhere else and succeed.

Charles and Johnson weren’t the only bright spots Sunday. Early, it became clear that the Chiefs were ready to play from the opening snap. The first play on offense was a 50-yard bomb to little-used wide receiver Terrance Copper, sending a message to the Broncos that the Chiefs weren’t going to lie down.

The Chiefs kept punching the Broncos in the mouth until they delivered the knockout punch – Charles’ 52-yard touchdown gallop - that eliminated Denver from the playoff race. Just for that, this game has special meaning. Chiefs fans can live the entire offseason knowing their team ended the season of an AFC West Rival that started 6-0. While New York's win Sunday night also would have eliminated the Broncos, the Chiefs had the pleasure of taking away Denver's hope early.

Who’s the better coach now? Todd Haley or Josh McDaniels? We’ll have plenty of time to debate that this offseason.

Haley showed something Sunday and will get another season to turn the ship around in Kansas City. We should have no problem with that, especially if the reports are accurate that Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis will soon be taking over KC’s offense and defense. Crennel and Weis would give Haley two former head coaches to bounce ideas off, and that could be enough to make a huge difference next season.

This season was full of bitter disappointment for the Chiefs and for the most part it was a negative year that warranted harsh criticism. But Monday morning, that doesn’t matter. The Chiefs are undefeated in 2010. Now we wait nine months for the next game.

Hootie · 01-04-2010, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Oh, he was just being TIC.

He didn't REALLY mean it.

It was just a joke.

(only because he was wrong)

what am I wrong about?

I don't care about QB rating...anyone who watched Thigpen against Atlanta last year could not mistake that performance with being better than anything Cassel did this year...no matter how bad Cassel was at times.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-04-2010, 01:51 PM

Hootie, you do realize that Thigpen played for the last 3+ quarters against Tennessee, right?

It wasn't the Atlanta game that prompted you start that thread and make that comparison, it was the Tennessee game.

Again, you're Mitch Blood Green claiming he knocked out Tyson.

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie

what am I wrong about?

I don't care about QB rating...anyone who watched Thigpen against Atlanta last year could not mistake that performance with being better than anything Cassel did this year...no matter how bad Cassel was at times.

Of course you don't care about QB rating. If you did, you'd look like an even bigger dumbass.

Obviously, the NFL cares about it enough to use it as an official statistic as a way to grade QB play.

Typical Hootie.

When wrong, you were either "close", "don't care", were being TIC or were "joking".

Convenient.

**dirk digler** · 01-04-2010, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Jesus Christ, Dirk.

He was a ****ing 3rd round rookie. And came out as a Junior. He's not going to play his rookie year over a 2X 1700 yard back and a guy they just drafted the year before who they'd like to see play. What is so hard to understand about that?

We are having a failure to communicate. Once again I didn't expect him last year or even this year to be starting over LJ he should have been #2 though.

Looking back he should have been #1 from the get go.

Hootie · 01-04-2010, 01:54 PM

Here we go:

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost....&postcount=454

In fact, I was the only one to defend Romo on this whole page:

http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthrea...+palmer&page=6

Mecca thought it was hysterical someone would take Romo over Palmer...

DeezNutz took Cassel over Romo.

TheGuardian · 01-04-2010, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

So essentially, LJ and the OL got the chance at the beginning of the season because they are established vets.

Pretty much. This isn't unusual anywhere either.

Quote:

And Haley and Pioli were brought in to what?

Change the diapers?
Change the tampons?
Change the culture?

What change does that evoke?

Did you watch us win in Denver yesterday for the first time in 9 years nothing on the line to play for?

Hootie · 01-04-2010, 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Hootie, you do realize that Thigpen played for the last 3+ quarters against Tennessee, right?

It wasn't the Atlanta game that prompted you start that thread and make that comparison, it was the Tennessee game.

Again, you're Mitch Blood Green claiming he knocked out Tyson.

Dude...I know, I did the research...

Thigpen looked like an idiot that game, too...

They lost 10-34...

People started changing their tune after the Jets/TB/SD games...MORON.

Christ.

Get it through your thick skull...you know, the same one that makes you think Tony Romo is the worst QB in the NFL

Hootie · 01-04-2010, 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

Of course you don't care about QB rating. If you did, you'd look like an even bigger dumbass.

Obviously, the NFL cares about it enough to use it as an official statistic as a way to grade QB play.

Typical Hootie.

When wrong, you were either "close", "don't care", were being TIC or were "joking".

Convenient.

Oh hahahahahahhaha ****ING hahahaha

when the QB rating stat paints Cassel in a positive light...

It's because he got those stats in garbage time...

but when it makes a Cassel game look worse than Thigpen last year at Atlanta...

suddenly QB rating is the only way to judge QB performance!

Hahahahahahaha

oh man

Priceless.

**dirk digler** · 01-04-2010, 01:57 PM

Until Romo shows me in the playoffs I will always think he is a choker

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-04-2010, 01:58 PM

Given the weapons he has, he's a mediocre ass quarterback. I don't think he's a leader, and I question his physical tools. He's got good size, but he's not very accurate, and his arm strength isn't special. He's careless with the football, always has been, and he locks on to his primary read far too often, and he makes his worst decisions in the biggest moments.

There are probably 10-12 QBs I'd take over him, right now.

I still stand by that.

Hootie · 01-04-2010, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

Given the weapons he has, he's a mediocre ass quarterback. I don't think he's a leader, and I question his physical tools. He's got good size, but he's not very accurate, and his arm strength isn't special. He's careless with the football, always has been, and he locks on to his primary read far too often, and he makes his worst decisions in the biggest moments.

There are probably 10-12 QBs I'd take over him, right now.

I still stand by that.

that is a direct contradiction of this one:

"Tony Romo is the one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL. If Dallas had a competent QB last week, they would have put up another 10-14 points. Dude is flat out taint."

What do you know...Hamas the hypocrite!

**OnTheWarpath15** · 01-04-2010, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie

Oh hahahahahahhaha ****ING hahahaha

when the QB rating stat paints Cassel in a positive light...

It's because he got those stats in garbage time...

but when it makes a Cassel game look worse than Thigpen last year at Atlanta...

suddenly QB rating is the only way to judge QB performance!

Hahahahahahaha

oh man

Priceless.

You snorting Adderol again?

That was as incoherent as you've ever been.

Speak english.

Hootie · 01-04-2010, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Until Romo shows me in the playoffs I will always think he is a choker

because you're an idiot...

you are the same type of fan that thinks Tom Brady is clutch.

I challenge all of you to rewatch the Cowboys/Giants game in the playoffs the year the Giants won the Super Bowl...and then tell me Tony Romo is a choker...

He played a hell of a game and was the only reason they had a chance to win...the Cowboys let HIM down...

Romo played a thousand times better against those same Giants as the 18-0 Tom Brady did in the Super Bowl...and it wasn't even close.

Patrick Crayton lost that game for the Cowboys...the defense let Eli score a TD at the end of the 1st half with 35 seconds to make it 14-7 rather than 14-0...

but Tony Romo is a choker for playing a hell of a game against that pass rush...against the team that beat the 18-0 super Pats...

Hootie · 01-04-2010, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58

You snorting Adderol again?

That was as incoherent as you've ever been.

Speak english.

how is that incoherent?

That was pretty ****ing clear buddy.

Try re-reading.

'Hamas' Jenkins · 01-04-2010, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hootie

that is a direct contradiction of this one:

"Tony Romo is the one of the worst starting QBs in the NFL. If Dallas had a competent QB last week, they would have put up another 10-14 points. Dude is flat out taint."

What do you know...Hamas the hypocrite!

For me to be a hypocrite, I'd have to have supported Romo. Never did. Always thought he was a mediocre QB (or worse). Still do.

He has weapons all over the place, but he's basically Neil Lomax.

I'm glad that you probably picked him up off the wire in 2006 and won a fantasy title because of it, but I really don't ****ing care about your fanboi obsessions.

He ****ing sucks, end of story, and just like Favre, it's time for him to come up smallest.

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Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $840478	Chiefs tried to trade Charles http://kan.scout.com/2/934713.html With Texas headed for a National Championship showdown with Alabama, two former Longhorns now playing for the Chiefs performed as if they were back in college and dominating inferior competition Sunday afternoon. Jamaal Charles and Derrick Johnson ended the Broncos’ playoff hopes and opened positive floodgates for the 2010 Chiefs during a 44-24 win in Denver. If you had told me before this game that Matt Cassel would only throw for 207 yards, Dwayne Bowe and Charles would catch only one pass combined and Kyle "Pro Bowl" Orton would throw for 431 yards, I’d have sworn the Chiefs would have lost on Sunday to end their miserable 2009 season. Instead, they played their best football game of the season. With Charles setting a Chiefs’ single-game rushing record with 259 yards and Johnson scoring two touchdowns off interception returns, have we seen the birth of the new Chiefs? Did we just witness the genesis of the team we’ll see next season? It won’t hurt if both Texas standouts are on the roster come September. Charles is a lock, but Johnson is a free agent and has not been a happy camper in Kansas City since Haley arrived with his in-your-face coaching style. Charles’ big day almost didn’t happen. Before the trade deadline in October, Chiefs’ general manager Scott Pioli offered Charles to the Redskins for a paltry fifth-round pick. But Washington GM Vinny Cerrato felt that was too high a price to pay for a backup running back. That might be why Cerrato was fired last month. The Chiefs held onto Charles and he has paid huge dividends. A year ago, former Chiefs Vice President of Player Personnel Bill Kuharich told me Charles was going to be a special running back, and that’s why he pushed former GM Carl Peterson to draft him in the third round. Charles is clearly the go-to back in Kansas City based on his second-half performance this season. Kansas City now has the luxury of pursuing other needs on offense in free agency and the draft. Johnson, even though he was primarily used in passing situations, clearly has still been KC’s best inside linebacker all season long. The Chiefs now need to make a strong play to keep him, because he’s talented enough that he’ll go somewhere else and succeed. Charles and Johnson weren’t the only bright spots Sunday. Early, it became clear that the Chiefs were ready to play from the opening snap. The first play on offense was a 50-yard bomb to little-used wide receiver Terrance Copper, sending a message to the Broncos that the Chiefs weren’t going to lie down. The Chiefs kept punching the Broncos in the mouth until they delivered the knockout punch – Charles’ 52-yard touchdown gallop - that eliminated Denver from the playoff race. Just for that, this game has special meaning. Chiefs fans can live the entire offseason knowing their team ended the season of an AFC West Rival that started 6-0. While New York's win Sunday night also would have eliminated the Broncos, the Chiefs had the pleasure of taking away Denver's hope early. Who’s the better coach now? Todd Haley or Josh McDaniels? We’ll have plenty of time to debate that this offseason. Haley showed something Sunday and will get another season to turn the ship around in Kansas City. We should have no problem with that, especially if the reports are accurate that Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis will soon be taking over KC’s offense and defense. Crennel and Weis would give Haley two former head coaches to bounce ideas off, and that could be enough to make a huge difference next season. This season was full of bitter disappointment for the Chiefs and for the most part it was a negative year that warranted harsh criticism. But Monday morning, that doesn’t matter. The Chiefs are undefeated in 2010. Now we wait nine months for the next game.
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7149572	Hootie, you do realize that Thigpen played for the last 3+ quarters against Tennessee, right? It wasn't the Atlanta game that prompted you start that thread and make that comparison, it was the Tennessee game. Again, you're Mitch Blood Green claiming he knocked out Tyson. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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Hootie Banned Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Dallas, Texas Casino cash: $10004900	Here we go: http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showpost....&postcount=454 In fact, I was the only one to defend Romo on this whole page: http://chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthrea...+palmer&page=6 Mecca thought it was hysterical someone would take Romo over Palmer... DeezNutz took Cassel over Romo.
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'Hamas' Jenkins Now you've pissed me off! Join Date: Jan 2006 Casino cash: $7149572	Given the weapons he has, he's a mediocre ass quarterback. I don't think he's a leader, and I question his physical tools. He's got good size, but he's not very accurate, and his arm strength isn't special. He's careless with the football, always has been, and he locks on to his primary read far too often, and he makes his worst decisions in the biggest moments. There are probably 10-12 QBs I'd take over him, right now. I still stand by that. __________________ "When the Know-Nothings get control, it will read 'all men are created equal, except negroes, and foreigners, and Catholics.' When it comes to this I should prefer emigrating to some country where they make no pretense of loving liberty – to Russia, for instance, where despotism can be taken pure, and without the base alloy of hypocrisy.”--Abraham Lincoln
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