"Why we need a new coach in '05"

[shaneo69]

I really think DV has gotten to the point where he can't be objective enough when it comes to evaluating these players and asst. coaches in order to make the necessary changes for '05.

Since the Vermiel era started, the Chiefs have rarely been the highest bidder when shopping for free agents. Instead, Vermiel has relied on his "family atmosphere" approach to appeal to the potential signees. But this offseason, if he's still here, he'll be a lame duck coach that UFA's know will not be back in '06. This will be a major obstacle in trying to woo free agents.

For fans, and the organization as a whole, the lame duck season spells danger because anyone that we sign to big bucks may not fit in with the new coach coming in '06. So we might end up wasting cap money on guys who don't fit the new ('06) scheme.

Finally, I think it's necessary for a new coach for '05 to come in from the outside to purge our roster of the guys who have sucked for 3-4 years now. We cannot be stuck with guys like Woods, Wesley, Warfield, Bartee, McCleon, Battle, Holliday, Hicks, Sims, etc. just because they're nice guys, or because they were high draft picks by the current staff, or because they were prize free agent signings by the current staff. We need someone who will study tape and objectively analyze our roster, and make the necessary changes, even if it means putting us in a bad cap situation for a year.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by Brock Landers

I think we'd probably better get used to the idea of Al Saunders being the next coach. Look on the bright side, he probably comes cheap.

Cheap? We're paying him 1 million dollars a year to be the stinking offensive coordinator. Unless the front office is cleaned out or a meteor hits the earth, he's being paid huge money to stick around and coach in KC and not somewhere else. I don't know what all the assistant coaches in the NFL make, but I imagine Saunders is one of the highest paid assistants in the league .

[tk13]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Again, Carl took the path of frugalness to address our HB woes.

I still don't understand exactly how history got re-written in all of this to make Carl look like Scrooge McDuck for the last 15 years, but in 2001 and 02 the team had to clear 37 million dollars in dead money out of the way because Carl had not been economical and spent big money on stupid contracts.... it wasn't like the team had a zillion dollars in cap room... and it certainly wasn't him being cheap. It was him being the opposite of cheap, it was watching the big FA signings like Dan Williams, McGlockton, and Carlton Gray blow up in his face.

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by tk13

I still don't understand exactly how history got re-written in all of this to make Carl look like Scrooge McDuck for the last 15 years, but in 2001 and 02 the team had to clear 37 million dollars in dead money out of the way because Carl had not been economical and spent big money on stupid contracts.... it wasn't like the team had a zillion dollars in cap room... and it certainly wasn't him being cheap. It was him being the opposite of cheap, it was watching the big FA signings like Dan Williams, McGlockton, and Carlton Gray blow up in his face.

EVERYTHING I said in my post is TRUE and accurate. Dispute what was said, not what you are seeing into the post.

[Spott]

I hate to admit it, but Marty was better than Vermiel. We had one losing season in the 10 years he was here. He consistently led us to the playoffs with a bunch of has been QB's, mediocre WR's and TE's(except for Gonzo 1st 2 years) and a tightwad GM who only signed the cheap leftovers in the free agent market.

I wonder if Pete Carroll would leave USC if they win another national championsip this year.

[KCTitus]

Originally Posted by tk13

I still don't understand exactly how history got re-written...

It's the motto of the site...I think.

Did you know that prior to Carl's cheapness he hired a HC that drafted Lawrence Phillips?

[KCTitus]

Originally Posted by mizzou5

I hate to admit it, but Marty was better than Vermiel.

Yeah, Marty went 13-3 and flamed out in the playoffs TWICE.

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by tk13

I still don't understand exactly how history got re-written in all of this to make Carl look like Scrooge McDuck for the last 15 years, but in 2001 and 02 the team had to clear 37 million dollars in dead money out of the way because Carl had not been economical and spent big money on stupid contracts.... it wasn't like the team had a zillion dollars in cap room... and it certainly wasn't him being cheap. It was him being the opposite of cheap, it was watching the big FA signings like Dan Williams, McGlockton, and Carlton Gray blow up in his face.

Did you ever stop to think that Vermeil wanted to have "his" guys on the team? Most coaches do and most teams purge the roster and find themselves in cap crunch, when you are releasing players outright, no? Anytime time you purge a roster your going to deal with cap implications. That's common knowledge and happens to every team. '01 and '02 were a NEW regime so I don't think that holds much water.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

EVERYTHING I said in my post is TRUE and accurate. Dispute what was said, not what you are seeing into the post.

Sorry, I edited it down to the portion of your quote that I directly addressed. You specifically said Carl was "frugal" and that's why they went cheap on a running back... I directly addressed that.

[KCTitus]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Did you ever stop to think that Vermeil wanted to have "his" guys on the team? Most coaches do and most teams purge the roster and find themselves in cap crunch, when you are releasing players outright, no? Anytime time you purge a roster your going to deal with cap implications. That's common knowledge and happens to every team. '01 and '02 were a NEW regime so I don't think that holds much water.

It's no coincidence that the guys that 'werent' Vermeil's guys had the fattest cap busting contracts on the team? I can think of 3 big names that got released...but Im sure there were more, maybe 5-6 or so.

How many did DV keep? I'd say the vast majority.

[tk13]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Did you ever stop to think that Vermeil wanted to have "his" guys on the team? Most coaches do and most teams purge the roster and find themselves in cap crunch, when you are releasing players outright, no? Anytime time you purge a roster your going to deal with cap implications. That's common knowledge and happens to every team. '01 and '02 were a NEW regime so I don't think that holds much water.

What the heck does any of this have to do with not having a ton of cap room back then yet you saying Carl was "frugal"?.... it's like you can't even comprehend what I'm saying. The reason the team was "frugal" on anything back then was because we had to clean house because Carl was an idiot and threw money around like it was nothing.... that is not being frugal.

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by tk13

Sorry, I edited it down to the portion of your quote that I directly addressed. You specifically said Carl was "frugal" and that's why they went cheap on a running back... I directly addressed that.

Cool. You do you agree though that Priest Holmes was NOT a top-tier FA when we picked him up, right? That's my whole point.

[BigChiefFan]

Originally Posted by KCTitus

It's no coincidence that the guys that 'werent' Vermeil's guys had the fattest cap busting contracts on the team? I can think of 3 big names that got released...but Im sure there were more, maybe 5-6 or so.

How many did DV keep? I'd say the vast majority.

So you are making my point for me. You see, if we weren't willing to pay our best players (subject to debate), then it leans in my favor of the Chiefs being frugal.

[KCTitus]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

So you are making my point for me. You see, if we weren't willing to pay our best players (subject to debate), then it leans in my favor of the Chiefs being frugal.

Best players? Grbac, McGlockton, Williams, Carlton Gray, Lew Bush...

You want to try that again?

[tk13]

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Cool. You do you agree though that Priest Holmes was NOT a top-tier FA when we picked him up, right? That's my whole point.

Yes, and my point is that the reason we couldn't go after a ton of top-tier FA's at the time is because Carl had already went that route and it blew up in his face and we were cleaning house. Yes Vermeil wanted his guys but it's not a coincedence the guys we cut were all guys with huge contracts who weren't living up to them.

[Swanman]

Originally Posted by tk13

Yes, and my point is that the reason we couldn't go after a ton of top-tier FA's at the time is because Carl had already went that route and it blew up in his face and we were cleaning house. Yes Vermeil wanted his guys but it's not a coincedence the guys we cut were all guys with huge contracts who weren't living up to them.

Another thing to add to this, as I haven't seen it specifically, is that Carl is probably pretty damn gun-shy after wasting all that money on busts like McGlockton. So as a defense mechanism, he has signed a bunch of fairly cheap also-ran type players/projects and resigned his own mediocre players hoping that at least a couple of them would miracously improve instead of take his chances on a big name guy in FA.

There was a similar situation to that a couple years ago in Chicago. The Bears had a top 5 pick that their GM traded to move down in the draft. All the media guys in Chicago were basically calling the GM gutless because he was afraid to pick a top 5 guy that ended up being a bust so instead he traded down to the middle of the first round so if the guy he drafted there was a bust then people wouldn't be quite as mad. That sounds very Carl-like.