The Carl Peterson Years.....1995 - Page 4

shaneo69 · 12-03-2004, 08:29 PM

7th in a series…..

UFA additions: Jeff Criswell, Rich Gannon, James Hasty, Brian Washington, Martin Bayless, Webster Slaughter, Leroy Thompson
Trade addition: Victor Bailey (for a 1995 2nd rounder)
Street free agents: Tony Richardson, Keith Traylor

Veteran losses: J.J. Birden, Derrick Graham, Jimmie Johnson, Eric Martin, Charles Mincy, David Whitmore, Arnold Ale, Ron Dickerson, Jaime Fields, Tracy Greene, Monty Grow, Lindsay Knapp, Greg Kragen, Jay Taylor, Jon Vaughn, Rob Waldrop, Bracy Walker
Retired: Joe Montana

1995 Draft

1) (pick 31 overall) Trezelle Jenkins (scouting report from Lindy’s 1995 Pro Football Annual called him “a stretch, and not just because he’s 6’7, 322. Not real dedicated and not good on technique, but the skills are there. Moves ok. If KC coaches can reach him, he can turn into a monster blocker. If not, will be a dud.” Bobby Taylor was taken 19 picks later.)

2) traded to Eagles for Victor Bailey, who was active for two games in two years with the Chiefs

3a) Tamarick Vanover (special teams playmaking ability was offset by lack of production on offense and his criminal activity; Antonio Freeman was taken 9 picks later by Green Bay)

3b) Troy Dumas (played in 13 games with no starts in his KC career; Ken Irvin, a decent CB, was taken 12 picks later)

4) Steve Stenstrom (never played for the Chiefs; quote from Lindy’s ’95 Pro Football Annual: “Stenstrom has been compared to Steve Walsh, which means his best days were in college.” Stephen Boyd and John Holecek, who both started at ILB for four years in the league, were taken in the next 10 picks)

5a) Mike Pelton, DT (never played in the NFL; DT Norman Hand was taken 3 picks later)

5b) Jerrott Willard, LB (played in one game for the Chiefs; Travis Hall, a six year starter at DT for Atlanta, was taken 17 picks later by the Falcons)

6a) Bryan Proby, DT (played in 3 games for the Chiefs; Charles Way, a good FB who was a 4 year starter for the Giants before injuries ended his career, was taken 4 picks after Proby)

6b) Tom Barndt (great pick, became 3 year starter at NT/DT, but the Chiefs coaches wasted his first two years in the league trying to turn him into a OT)

7) no pick (the Rams starting OG’s in the ’99 Super Bowl were both drafted in this round, as were solid players Chad Cota, Byron Chamberlain, Chad Eaton, Jason Fisk, and Siegried and Roy-hater Cole Ford)

1995 Starters:
S. Bono, K. Anders, M. Allen, W. Davis, L. Dawson/W. Slaughter, K. Cash, J. Alt, D. Szott, T. Grunhard, W. Shields, R. Siglar
N. Smith, D. Saleaumua, J. Phillips, V. Booker/D. Mickell, G. Jamison, T. Simien, D. Thomas, D. Carter, J. Hasty, M. Collins, B. Washington
L. Elliott, L. Aguiar

Couple notes about ’95…..it’s amazing that we were able to improve from 9-7 in Montana’s last year to 13-3 in Bono’s first year. Besides the downgrade at QB, Lake Dawson and Webster Slaughter barely matched J.J. Birden’s previous production at WR.

On defense, Gunther Cunningham replaced Dave Adolph, who moved to San Diego, and Schottenheimer totally rebuilt the secondary, adding Hasty at CB and Brian Washington at SS, and moving Mark Collins from CB to FS. Chiefs gave up the least points in the league.

MonroeChief · 12-04-2004, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Obviously I'm a Chief fan, too because I'm still here after this dismal season. We both want the same things, the difference is you are still pleased with Carl Peterson and I believe he has had more than ample time to make it happen and continued to fail. I do think he has done some positive things for the Chiefs, but I honestly believe his tenure has run its course and I would welcome a change.

I wouldn't go as far to say I agree with everything he has done, but I refuse to put the blame for the season soley on him.

MonroeChief · 12-04-2004, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Manila-Chief

Monroe, Just curious ... how long you been a Chiefs fan? I don't see your name on the list of those who watched us play in 2 S.B.'s ...

And yes in our front office ... the buck stops with Kingless coz he has complete control!!! The coaches may not coach or players may not play ... but it's his responsibility ... plus ... the topic of his thread is poor draft picks ... it doesn't take an expert to realize Kingless has done a very bad job of drafting!!! Compare N.E. if you want a comparision!!!

Look at the post count. I'm new on this board. I've been a Chiefs fan since 1963 and a season ticket holder since 1972.

I watched the first SB on TV like the rest of you. I attended the second (SB4) Superbowl and watched Lenny and the gang do the job.

As far as your claim that CP has total control, you are wrong.

Comparing the Chiefs with N.E. is only the beginning. You have to compare them with the rest of the league to stake a claim that CP is as bad as you wish he was.

Like I said before, I don't agree with everything he has done, but I refuse to put the total blame for the Chiefs season on him.

Hydrae · 12-04-2004, 05:29 PM

MonroeChief, the way I view these threads is not so much actual CP bashing as a look at the facts. I know I appreciate the effort shaneo69 is putting into these threads.

At the very least these are interesting trips down memory lane. When was the last time you even thought about what a disappointment Slaughter was for us? With a season like this one it can become a good time to reflect on how we got where we are as a team as a the fans of that team.

MonroeChief · 12-04-2004, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Hydrae

MonroeChief, the way I view these threads is not so much actual CP bashing as a look at the facts. I know I appreciate the effort shaneo69 is putting into these threads.

At the very least these are interesting trips down memory lane. When was the last time you even thought about what a disappointment Slaughter was for us? With a season like this one it can become a good time to reflect on how we got where we are as a team as a the fans of that team.

If you are going to shoot facts about what is wrong in KC you are going to have to get a bigger quiver for your arrows. There is plenty of blame to go around.

Has anyone ever thought about what would happen if someone was hired to replace CP and did a worse job? We could end up like the 'aints!!! Never been, probably never will.

shaneo69 · 12-04-2004, 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by MonroeChief

Has anyone ever thought about what would happen if someone was hired to replace CP and did a worse job? We could end up like the 'aints!!! Never been, probably never will.

Don't look now, but the 'aints have actually won a playoff game more recently than us (2000), and they're probably closer to winning another one before us, as soon as they show Haslett the door. And if I recall, they beat us this year.

Funny, it's getting harder and harder to pick out teams that we can honestly say that we're lucky not to be their team's fans.

MonroeChief · 12-04-2004, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by shaneo69

Don't look now, but the 'aints have actually won a playoff game more recently than us (2000), and they're probably closer to winning another one before us, as soon as they show Haslett the door. And if I recall, they beat us this year.

Funny, it's getting harder and harder to pick out teams that we can honestly say that we're lucky not to be their team's fans.

They may have won a playoff game more recently than the Chiefs, but how playoff games have they been in their history?

12-03-2004, 08:29 PM
shaneo69 Smug Weasel Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Bleachers at Busch Casino cash: $10004900	The Carl Peterson Years.....1995 7th in a series….. UFA additions: Jeff Criswell, Rich Gannon, James Hasty, Brian Washington, Martin Bayless, Webster Slaughter, Leroy Thompson Trade addition: Victor Bailey (for a 1995 2nd rounder) Street free agents: Tony Richardson, Keith Traylor Veteran losses: J.J. Birden, Derrick Graham, Jimmie Johnson, Eric Martin, Charles Mincy, David Whitmore, Arnold Ale, Ron Dickerson, Jaime Fields, Tracy Greene, Monty Grow, Lindsay Knapp, Greg Kragen, Jay Taylor, Jon Vaughn, Rob Waldrop, Bracy Walker Retired: Joe Montana 1995 Draft 1) (pick 31 overall) Trezelle Jenkins (scouting report from Lindy’s 1995 Pro Football Annual called him “a stretch, and not just because he’s 6’7, 322. Not real dedicated and not good on technique, but the skills are there. Moves ok. If KC coaches can reach him, he can turn into a monster blocker. If not, will be a dud.” Bobby Taylor was taken 19 picks later.) 2) traded to Eagles for Victor Bailey, who was active for two games in two years with the Chiefs 3a) Tamarick Vanover (special teams playmaking ability was offset by lack of production on offense and his criminal activity; Antonio Freeman was taken 9 picks later by Green Bay) 3b) Troy Dumas (played in 13 games with no starts in his KC career; Ken Irvin, a decent CB, was taken 12 picks later) 4) Steve Stenstrom (never played for the Chiefs; quote from Lindy’s ’95 Pro Football Annual: “Stenstrom has been compared to Steve Walsh, which means his best days were in college.” Stephen Boyd and John Holecek, who both started at ILB for four years in the league, were taken in the next 10 picks) 5a) Mike Pelton, DT (never played in the NFL; DT Norman Hand was taken 3 picks later) 5b) Jerrott Willard, LB (played in one game for the Chiefs; Travis Hall, a six year starter at DT for Atlanta, was taken 17 picks later by the Falcons) 6a) Bryan Proby, DT (played in 3 games for the Chiefs; Charles Way, a good FB who was a 4 year starter for the Giants before injuries ended his career, was taken 4 picks after Proby) 6b) Tom Barndt (great pick, became 3 year starter at NT/DT, but the Chiefs coaches wasted his first two years in the league trying to turn him into a OT) 7) no pick (the Rams starting OG’s in the ’99 Super Bowl were both drafted in this round, as were solid players Chad Cota, Byron Chamberlain, Chad Eaton, Jason Fisk, and Siegried and Roy-hater Cole Ford) 1995 Starters: S. Bono, K. Anders, M. Allen, W. Davis, L. Dawson/W. Slaughter, K. Cash, J. Alt, D. Szott, T. Grunhard, W. Shields, R. Siglar N. Smith, D. Saleaumua, J. Phillips, V. Booker/D. Mickell, G. Jamison, T. Simien, D. Thomas, D. Carter, J. Hasty, M. Collins, B. Washington L. Elliott, L. Aguiar Couple notes about ’95…..it’s amazing that we were able to improve from 9-7 in Montana’s last year to 13-3 in Bono’s first year. Besides the downgrade at QB, Lake Dawson and Webster Slaughter barely matched J.J. Birden’s previous production at WR. On defense, Gunther Cunningham replaced Dave Adolph, who moved to San Diego, and Schottenheimer totally rebuilt the secondary, adding Hasty at CB and Brian Washington at SS, and moving Mark Collins from CB to FS. Chiefs gave up the least points in the league.
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