Are you a FF baller or a homer?

[Logical]

If you say you are taking LJ count yourself as a homer.

If you say Shawn Alexander then count yourself as a baller

If you are in a league with QBs that get 6 then you have other options.

This could all change if Roaf comes back so for now assume Roaf is not coming back.

[bogie]

Originally Posted by kc rush

I never draft a raider or a donk for my teams. The thought of rooting for them in any fashion makes me sick.

Yeah, that's my delima. I could never root for someone that is playing against the Chiefs. I'm sure the mind-set is people hope their FF player does well, but they still want a Chiefs win. That doesn't work for me, I have too simple of a mind to challenge it that much.

[KCChiefsMan]

you can say you are a homer if you pick up the Chiefs D or Kennison/Parker or even Green if it's too early. But LJ???? are ya kidding me? According to ESPN's live draft results list, Larry Johnson is averaged as the #1 pick with an avg pick of 1.4. Now I doubt that all of those people are Chiefs homers.

[KCChiefsMan]

Originally Posted by bogie

Yeah, that's my delima. I could never root for someone that is playing against the Chiefs. I'm sure the mind-set is people hope their FF player does well, but they still want a Chiefs win. That doesn't work for me, I have too simple of a mind to challenge it that much.

I usually have the mindset that if one of my fantasy players is playing the Chiefs, if their team is gonna score....it just had better be that player!

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Logical

This is just silly I won one league and was second in the other, my workhorses were LJ and LT in one league and LJ and Tiki in the other. No way I get LJ in the fifth round this year though. Our scoring system is just such that a RB who catches the ball a lot is a much bigger stud than an LJ will be unless LJ gets 29 TDs In our league Alexander was #1 scorer, Tiki was 2, LT was three, Steve Smith was 4 a Marvin Harrison was 5 and LJ was 6. It is all the points for receptions that really helps in our league.

That's all fine and dandy, but what IS just silly is that you'd take him in the same spot this year as last year where he ended up finishing. He didn't start half of his games for crying out loud.

What I DO know is that he finished with more TDs than Tiki and LT in the action that he did see. I can understand taking Alexander before LJ, and maybe even Steve Smith before LJ, if that's the kind of FF you like to play. But this 6/7th overrall is just horseshit.

[chagrin]

Don't confuse him with facts, SNR, it only furthers his "vision" of himself.

[donkhater]

Your league has a screwed up scoring system then, Logical.

Do you count receiving yards more or do you get points for receptions? If the answer is no to both those questions, there is NO WAY ANY receiver will outscore LJ this season. 1500 yards/12 TD for a receiver is an amazing season. I would dare say that if LJ got 1500 combined yards and only 12 TDs it would be slightly dissapointing. Not bad, but definately under what most think he could do.

[Nzoner]

Originally Posted by Logical

It is all the points for receptions that really helps in our league.

I don't play in PPR league but this discussion made me go to our site and do a little homework from last year.

Had 1 point per reception been awarded in our league the final numbers between LJ and Steve Smith would've been almost 30 points higher for LJ and he didn't even start the entire year.

LJ.....368.3

Smith..339.8

I'm just trying to figure out your leagues scoring that would = Smith ahead of LJ.

Our league also awards 1/10th of a point per yard gained and 6 pts for td.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Nzoner 338

I don't play in PPR league but this discussion made me go to our site and do a little homework from last year.

Had 1 point per reception been awarded in our league the final numbers between LJ and Steve Smith would've been almost 30 points higher for LJ and he didn't even start the entire year.

LJ.....368.3

Smith..339.8

I'm just trying to figure out your leagues scoring that would = Smith ahead of LJ.

Our league also awards 1/10th of a point per yard gained and 6 pts for td.

That's how most do it. Like I said, there are some who go receiver before RB, because if you have kickass receivers, that's a distinct advantage over others who may not have as good players. Therefore that would warrant taking a Steve Smith before LJ.

[Logical]

Originally Posted by SNR

That's how most do it. Like I said, there are some who go receiver before RB, because if you have kickass receivers, that's a distinct advantage over others who may not have as good players. Therefore that would warrant taking a Steve Smith before LJ.

Very good, there are only about 3 WRs who score up there with RBs so they are at a premium just like Manning is at QB.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by Logical

Very good, there are only about 3 WRs who score up there with RBs so they are at a premium just like Manning is at QB.

Last year I would've put Carson Palmer at that level as well. We'll see if he returns to form after this injury.

[Logical]

Originally Posted by donkhater

Your league has a screwed up scoring system then, Logical.

Do you count receiving yards more or do you get points for receptions? If the answer is no to both those questions, there is NO WAY ANY receiver will outscore LJ this season. 1500 yards/12 TD for a receiver is an amazing season. I would dare say that if LJ got 1500 combined yards and only 12 TDs it would be slightly dissapointing. Not bad, but definately under what most think he could do.

Yes receiving yards counts for points as well. This is why Tiki and LT are so incredibly valuable.

In our league assuming 90 receptions your wide receiver would score 262 points. The other thing is the reception numbers come much more consistently across the games. Where as LJ would only score 172 plus probably around 30 receptions for a total fo 202.

LT was killer the season he had 100 receptions and all those yards both rushing and receiving as I recall he scored well over 400 points no one was even close to him.

[Valiant]

Originally Posted by rad

Why would anyone take a QB in the first round?

Rounds 1 and 2 are where you want to get your RB's. Every league I've been in, you have to start 2 RB's and 1 QB. Maybe it's just because I'm in a 16 team league, but still.

Well in most 12 man leagues the 10-12 spot, you can either get a average back or an elite QB or WR... If you pick like all the experts pick you get screwed on spots on your team... I made it to the championship game on 3 out of 4 teams last year(Only won one of them though)... If I am drafting 11th and i have the choice between Peyton or Steve Jackson I am taking Peyton..

[Valiant]

Originally Posted by Logical

This is just silly I won one league and was second in the other, my workhorses were LJ and LT in one league and LJ and Tiki in the other. No way I get LJ in the fifth round this year though. Our scoring system is just such that a RB who catches the ball a lot is a much bigger stud than an LJ will be unless LJ gets 29 TDs In our league Alexander was #1 scorer, Tiki was 2, LT was three, Steve Smith was 4 a Marvin Harrison was 5 and LJ was 6. It is all the points for receptions that really helps in our league.

How do you get both of those backs on one team???

[Logical]

Originally Posted by Nzoner 338

I don't play in PPR league but this discussion made me go to our site and do a little homework from last year.

Had 1 point per reception been awarded in our league the final numbers between LJ and Steve Smith would've been almost 30 points higher for LJ and he didn't even start the entire year.

LJ.....368.3

Smith..339.8

I'm just trying to figure out your leagues scoring that would = Smith ahead of LJ.

Our league also awards 1/10th of a point per yard gained and 6 pts for td.

1 point for 15 yards rushing factors in as well.

[Logical]

Originally Posted by SNR

Last year I would've put Carson Palmer at that level as well. We'll see if he returns to form after this injury.

Not sure how that would have worked out in our league.

QBs only get 1 point for every 35 yards thrown, 3 points for TDs thrown, 1 point for 15 yards rushing and 6 point for TDs ran. A QB has to throw well in excess of 30 TDs to be close to first round ranking.