Chiefs We are in a GREAT position - Page 4

durtyrute · 11:34 AM

I've been sitting back, going through these threads for the last couple of days reading how: if we keep Romeo that means Cassel, if we would've gotten McD that meant Cassel, Pioli has the biggest ego, Clark Hunt is cheap, 40 years means we will never get a QB and on and on and on.

When Clark officially took over what did he do? He went out and got the best candidate for the job. Whatever the price, he paid it. Then Pioli brought in Haley, who just came from the SuperBowl. (Seemed good at the time and there weren't too many complaints when we went to the playoffs) Then Pioli got us a QB and a Vet LB for a second round pick. (Again, it seemed good at the time, and Cassel did pretty good the season before and when we went to the playoffs) The first draft was a bust, but that is not on the Clarks...lol, that's Pioli and his goons right there. We bring in some cast offs and try to make them stick, most don't, (again, the goons plus Haley at work) Season is a bust and we sucked.

Next season, bring in the best OC and DC you can get, money be damned. The draft was a huge success. We get some decent free agents. No, big names, but we did alright. Haley is almost the coach of the year. Cassel backs that ass up right into the playoffs. We lose, we suck again.

This season, the draft seems alright, shortened offseason, weird preseason (you can debate that if you choose). Injuries, suckage, injuries, suckage, Palko, ultimate suckage, Haley gone, Orton, succesful suckage, season over, RAC city.

Now here we are and all you guys can say is Clark never spends, even though he got the best: GM, OC, DC and OC (Haley) money could buy. For the most part he has signed all of the players we need to keep. Looks like he is spending to me. The whole Smith thing I don't know what that was, so if you feel you must count that then go ahead.

We have a GM that is on his last leg. You guys talk about his ego, for one, most people have egos especially in pro sports, so who cares if he does? For two, do you really think he's going to let the season go to shit because of Cassel? Why would he do that? Oh, he won't bench or cut him because that's admitting a mistake, well Todd Haley says hi.

Now the draft a QB thing. The ****ing draft hasn't even happened yet, shit the SuperBowl hasn't happened and you guys are crying about shit that has happened in the past that has nothing to do with the future. We don't know if we will trade up or not. No one in the organization has been in this situation before, not Pioli or Clark, so can we atleast wait for the draft. As i've shown, Clark is doing what he thinks is right and plus he's a business man he's not going to blow his money because some people in a forum want him too.

I for one think we are in a great position both Pioli and Rac are trying to save there asses and if it comes down to Pioli or Cassel who do you think will be gone first. Now, if we don't sign Bowe and Carr, go into the season with just Cassel and don't draft a qb or at least let Stanzi battle with Cassel then we should burn the place down, but until then.....

whoman69 · 01-10-2012, 02:53 PM

We've heard it out of multiple mouths, Cassel is back. What has he shown except that he doesn't know how to move his protections, go through his progressions, has little confidence in throwing the ball down the field, does not have a deep ball and plays like crap against good defenses. That tells me Pioli can't see his experiment has failed. Tell me again why we should be confident about Pioli?

scho63 · 01-10-2012, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Hydrae

This is the poster child of what the OP was talking about. We Chiefs fans can get so wrapped up in our past that we neglect to look forward sometimes (often).

Yes, we are in great shape. We almost won our division with three (four if you want to count the worthless QB) of our best players on the sideline for the entire season. With them coming back, and our youngsters with another year of experience, we have a solid shot at a very good season coming up. But around here it is all doom and gloom. Buck up folks, this team is moving in the right direction and should have a solid future ahead.

Now if only we had a competent QB...

I have been looking forward for 40 straight years and I always start out as a cock-eyed optimist but the Chiefs bring me right back to planet Earth.

Here's a little history lesson/reminder if you are old enough: During our glory days of playoff appearances in the 90's, we were scoring like Charlie Sheen at a hookers convention but we had a TERRIBLE defense that couldn't stop anyone and we lost many games like 41-38.

This year it's all about our pathetic offense that can't score a fucking point in the Red Zone and was the lowest scoring team in our history!

What's the point to this? There is always an excuse with this team from some angle.

My theory after 40 years of pain for this management: Put up or shut up!

I like a lot of what I see but I also see very little depth and a horrible offense.

**DeezNutz** · 01-10-2012, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Simplicity

Oh my gawdddd. Deeznutz stop your btchin... All you guys ever do is ASSUME and jump to CONCLUSIONS....
Cassel is not as bad as you guys say he is.
Pioli is fine.
Hunt is fine...
NOW

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**HemiEd** · 01-10-2012, 03:14 PM

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Fish · 01-10-2012, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by durtyrute

How would you do it? Pick something that looks like it won't work? That doesn't make a damn bit of sense. If you think it will work, you go for it. Why is that hard to understand.

It's hard to understand because you're oversimplifying it to a painful degree. The Chiefs aren't paying Pioli millions of dollars a year to just make guesses on what he thinks might work. That's why they have a large group of people working for them who's sole job is to scout and gather information on potential players. It's a complex process that can't be simplified down to one guy making guesses. A process that most teams can rely on with a definable expectation of results. It just so happens that Pioli's record of drafting has never really been that great. And we're starting to see that many of his decisions since taking over as GM of the Chiefs have been complete failures.

And you start this thread saying "Look guys, Pioli has failed at this and this and this, but isn't it great that they're trying? Just imagine if they'd actually do this thing right for a change. Maybe next year... WHOOO!" While people who've followed this franchise for decades are saying "Dammit, it looks like the same pile of stinking shit, with a different man behind the shovel. They're still ignoring the most important position on the field, and offering up the same excuses we've heard for decades."

durtyrute · 01-10-2012, 03:38 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

It's hard to understand because you're oversimplifying it to a painful degree. The Chiefs aren't paying Pioli millions of dollars a year to just make guesses on what he thinks might work. That's why they have a large group of people working for them who's sole job is to scout and gather information on potential players. It's a complex process that can't be simplified down to one guy making guesses. A process that most teams can rely on with a definable expectation of results. It just so happens that Pioli's record of drafting has never really been that great. And we're starting to see that many of his decisions since taking over as GM of the Chiefs have been complete failures.

And you start this thread saying "Look guys, Pioli has failed at this and this and this, but isn't it great that they're trying? Just imagine if they'd actually do this thing right for a change. Maybe next year... WHOOO!" While people who've followed this franchise for decades are saying "Dammit, it looks like the same pile of stinking shit, with a different man behind the shovel. They're still ignoring the most important position on the field, and offering up the same excuses we've heard for decades."

All of that and it's the same damn thing. These "team of experts" or whatever you want to call them is going to make the decision based oh what they feel is right, right? That's the same that happened here. I'm saying I don't give a **** about the past 40 years. Clark started a couple of years ago and so far: hired "the best GM", the best OC, the best DC, and a coordinator you led an offense to the superbowl. Yet, people such as yourself still want to bitch about 40 years before that. Why don't you hop in your delorien and go back there. Carl has nothing to do with Pioli. I can understand wanting more, wanting better, but **** what more could the man (Pioli or Clark) have done.

And for the bolded part, are you talking before here, with the Pats, that won how many SuperBowls? There isn't anyone out there that is going to hit on every single pick. We are leaps and bounds better than we were before, yet you guys want to live in the past. Well, doing that shit isn't going to get us a ring either.

Fish · 01-10-2012, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by durtyrute

All of that and it's the same damn thing. These "team of experts" or whatever you want to call them is going to make the decision based oh what they feel is right, right? That's the same that happened here. I'm saying I don't give a **** about the past 40 years. Clark started a couple of years ago and so far: hired "the best GM", the best OC, the best DC, and a coordinator you led an offense to the superbowl. Yet, people such as yourself still want to bitch about 40 years before that. Why don't you hop in your delorien and go back there. Carl has nothing to do with Pioli. I can understand wanting more, wanting better, but **** what more could the man (Pioli or Clark) have done.

And for the bolded part, are you talking before here, with the Pats, that won how many SuperBowls? There isn't anyone out there that is going to hit on every single pick. We are leaps and bounds better than we were before, yet you guys want to live in the past. Well, doing that shit isn't going to get us a ring either.

The only thing the past has to do with the conversation is the fact that Pioli is making the same mistakes that have been made in the past. That's the only reason people are bringing up the past. Because they've seen it before, and they can see no difference in the way Pioli is doing things now.

And speaking of the past, why do you keep referring to it when describing the coordinators that Pioli chose? Why do you reference their past accomplishments, yet chide others for referencing past results?

And if those coordinators were the "best", as you say, why is it that Pioli has been through 4 different offensive coordinators now?

Leaps and bounds better huh? How are we leaps and bounds better, while sitting on a 21-27 record since Pioli has been here?

durtyrute · 01-10-2012, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Fish

The only thing the past has to do with the conversation is the fact that Pioli is making the same mistakes that have been made in the past. That's the only reason people are bringing up the past. Because they've seen it before, and they can see no difference in the way Pioli is doing things now.

And speaking of the past, why do you keep referring to it when describing the coordinators that Pioli chose? Why do you reference their past accomplishments, yet chide others for referencing past results?

And if those coordinators were the "best", as you say, why is it that Pioli has been through 4 different offensive coordinators now?

Leaps and bounds better huh? How are we leaps and bounds better, while sitting on a 21-27 record since Pioli has been here?

I'm starting when Clark officially took over. It's only been a couple of years. You guys are blaming Clark for shit that happened when he was still sucking from his moms teet.

At the time of the hires, who were better than Weis and Crennel? As for Haley, if you were running a franchise wouldn't you want the guy that ran the high powered offense that just went to the superbowl?

Galey wasn't retained, cast off from old regime (doesn't mean he wasn't good)

Haley sucked as OC (turns out it was Weisenhunts offense not Haley's, plus having Fitz and Warner helps) Missed that one

Weis didn't like Haley, or whatever (he was still good)

And if you mean Gramps as the fourth OC. I don't know what that was about.

Haley, Weis and Crennel were great hires. We can't go back now and say, "see, we should've never hired the OC from a Superbowl team, or an OC from a Superbowl winning team."

Now, I'll give you the last part. We aren't leaps and bounds better, that was a bit of an overstatement on my part, but I'll take these Chiefs over Herms, Vermeils, and Gunthers. (I would love to have Vermeils, but that defense was so bad it makes it a wash for me)

Caseyguyrr · 01-10-2012, 04:19 PM

Sign Carr

durtyrute · 01-10-2012, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Caseyguyrr

Sign Carr

It's a must

Caseyguyrr · 01-10-2012, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by durtyrute

It's a must

we're ****ed without him

durtyrute · 01-10-2012, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Caseyguyrr

we're ****ed without him

Indeed

MTG#10 · 01-10-2012, 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Simplicity

Oh my gawdddd. Deeznutz stop your btchin... All you guys ever do is ASSUME and jump to CONCLUSIONS....
Cassel is not as bad as you guys say he is.
Pioli is fine.
Hunt is fine...
NOW

.

Not sure if serious...

Fish · 01-10-2012, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by durtyrute

I'm starting when Clark officially took over. It's only been a couple of years. You guys are blaming Clark for shit that happened when he was still sucking from his moms teet.

At the time of the hires, who were better than Weis and Crennel? As for Haley, if you were running a franchise wouldn't you want the guy that ran the high powered offense that just went to the superbowl?

Galey wasn't retained, cast off from old regime (doesn't mean he wasn't good)

Haley sucked as OC (turns out it was Weisenhunts offense not Haley's, plus having Fitz and Warner helps) Missed that one

Weis didn't like Haley, or whatever (he was still good)

And if you mean Gramps as the fourth OC. I don't know what that was about.

Haley, Weis and Crennel were great hires. We can't go back now and say, "see, we should've never hired the OC from a Superbowl team, or an OC from a Superbowl winning team."

Now, I'll give you the last part. We aren't leaps and bounds better, that was a bit of an overstatement on my part, but I'll take these Chiefs over Herms, Vermeils, and Gunthers. (I would love to have Vermeils, but that defense was so bad it makes it a wash for me)

No.... I'm blaming Clark for shit he's done since he's been here. Shit that just so happens to mirror what happened before he was here. I don't understand why you can't see the difference.

Since Clark took over, the Chiefs have went 27-53. In the 5 years before that, the Chiefs were 47-33. You sure you would prefer the last 5 years of Clark?

scho63 · 01-10-2012, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by durtyrute

I'm starting when Clark officially took over. It's only been a couple of years. You guys are blaming Clark for shit that happened when he was still sucking from his moms teet.

"The acorn didn't fall from from the tree."

"He is his father's son."

"His father taught him how to make money like a Hunt."

Shall I continue?

01-10-2012, 11:28 AM
durtyrute MVP Join Date: Mar 2011 Casino cash: $5636085	We are in a GREAT position I've been sitting back, going through these threads for the last couple of days reading how: if we keep Romeo that means Cassel, if we would've gotten McD that meant Cassel, Pioli has the biggest ego, Clark Hunt is cheap, 40 years means we will never get a QB and on and on and on. When Clark officially took over what did he do? He went out and got the best candidate for the job. Whatever the price, he paid it. Then Pioli brought in Haley, who just came from the SuperBowl. (Seemed good at the time and there weren't too many complaints when we went to the playoffs) Then Pioli got us a QB and a Vet LB for a second round pick. (Again, it seemed good at the time, and Cassel did pretty good the season before and when we went to the playoffs) The first draft was a bust, but that is not on the Clarks...lol, that's Pioli and his goons right there. We bring in some cast offs and try to make them stick, most don't, (again, the goons plus Haley at work) Season is a bust and we sucked. Next season, bring in the best OC and DC you can get, money be damned. The draft was a huge success. We get some decent free agents. No, big names, but we did alright. Haley is almost the coach of the year. Cassel backs that ass up right into the playoffs. We lose, we suck again. This season, the draft seems alright, shortened offseason, weird preseason (you can debate that if you choose). Injuries, suckage, injuries, suckage, Palko, ultimate suckage, Haley gone, Orton, succesful suckage, season over, RAC city. Now here we are and all you guys can say is Clark never spends, even though he got the best: GM, OC, DC and OC (Haley) money could buy. For the most part he has signed all of the players we need to keep. Looks like he is spending to me. The whole Smith thing I don't know what that was, so if you feel you must count that then go ahead. We have a GM that is on his last leg. You guys talk about his ego, for one, most people have egos especially in pro sports, so who cares if he does? For two, do you really think he's going to let the season go to shit because of Cassel? Why would he do that? Oh, he won't bench or cut him because that's admitting a mistake, well Todd Haley says hi. Now the draft a QB thing. The ***ing draft hasn't even happened yet, shit the SuperBowl hasn't happened and you guys are crying about shit that has happened in the past that has nothing to do with the future. We don't know if we will trade up or not. No one in the organization has been in this situation before, not Pioli or Clark, so can we atleast wait for the draft. As i've shown, Clark is doing what he thinks is right and plus he's a business man he's not going to blow his money because some people in a forum want him too. I for one think we are in a great position both Pioli and Rac are trying to save there asses and if it comes down to Pioli or Cassel who do you think will be gone first. Now, if we don't sign Bowe and Carr, go into the season with just Cassel and don't draft a qb or at least let Stanzi battle with Cassel then we should burn the place down, but until then..... Last edited by durtyrute; 01-10-2012 at 11:34 AM..*
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