Does anything less than a playoff appearance = Bye Bye Pioli?

[Titty Meat]

This isn't a thread bashing Pioli it's simply to encourage discussion.

The Facts:

The Chiefs have finished in last place 2 out of the 3 seasons since Pioli took over.

The Chiefs have averaged 7 wins under the Pioli regime.

The 2009 draft= Fail

The Trade for Matt Cassel turns out it wasn't good.

Already fired one coach missing the playoffs this year with this squad would mean Crennel isn't that good of a coach.

So does anything less than a playoff appearance= failure? If so that would be 3 out of 4 years Pioli has failed. That gets you walking papers with most franchises.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by Guru

Renovation only killed the club level.

Didn't all ticket prices go up after the renovations?

Anyway the MNF was cool but the other games felt different.


Oh and the PA announcer sucks the old one kicked ass.

[007]

Originally Posted by Trivers

They did that in Green Bay. TOTALLY ruins the experience. Might as well as stay home and watch on big screen.

The people buying tickets on those levels aren't there for the game anyway. Not now at least. They would rather be inside watching the game on TV. Makes no ****ing sense to me at all.

the club level is an absolute embarrassment now.

[Pasta Little Brioni]

Nope

[mcaj22]

if we win a couple games in a row it will be because of the defense, the return of Berry and his impact or things like Charles and Hillis or Bowe, someone of actual talent putting the team on his back and making up for the awful hindrance at QB.

Nobody is going to get behind Cassel because he threw for 190 yards with 1 touchdown and 1 pick and won us a couple games in a row with those averages.

He will never go out there and throw a 70 percent game with a 400 yard average and 3 or 4 touchdowns to boot, in a hot streak where he single handed wins us games, like an Eli or Aaron Rodgers or Peyton, or Brees or any QB on a good team, can do.

[Bugeater]

If we have a bad season Pioli will just throw Crennel under the bus.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Canofbier

We were technically last place last year, but it's not nearly the same magnitude of "last place" as the first time. We were as close as making one of two blocked field goals in that horrible game against the Raiders to winning the division for a second consecutive year.

Our team may not be a perennial contender yet, but you can see the progress. Our team was pretty awful when he came aboard, and talent and depth at every position has improved since he arrived (even at QB, arguably). He demonstrated this offseason that he's able to land top-flight free agents (Winston).

Obviously, he's made some mistakes (Cassel's massive contract being the one that stands out the most), but who would we hire when he's gone who would do better? Last year was almost undoubtedly a playoff year before the injuries (and almost was despite them). I expect the Chiefs to do better this year, but suppose they finish 10-6 and miss the playoffs? That's certainly possible, but it's not worth firing Pioli over. If we lay down a massive turd of a season (say, 4-12 or something), then there's more reason to fire him.

Pioli has taken on a rebuilding project that involves doing it the old fashioned way.

Through the draft.

That takes time.

The problem, aside from the most obvious, is that the foundation of that project was drafted by the previous regime.

We've already lost one piece of that foundation in Carr, and Bowe might well be the next piece.

I still contend that his 2010 draft was not nearly the great draft that others seem to believe it to be.

Dexter McCluster is just a guy, and Javier Arenas is a great 4th round pick, that we took in the second round.

I also still contend that this team would be further along if Bill KuHarich had been promoted to the GM spot, and Herman ****ing Edwards had been replaced with Ron Rivera, who I wanted the most at that time, or Jim Swartz.

Of course, that would not have happened, given Clark Hunt's affinity for Herman ****ing Edwards.

So at the end of the day, the man most responsible for all this shit is Hunt, as has been the case for the last 40 years.

[Titty Meat]

Originally Posted by milkman

Pioli has taken on a rebuilding project that involves doing it the old fashioned way.

Through the draft.

That takes time.

The problem, aside from the most obvious, is that the foundation of that project was drafted by the previous regime.

We've already lost one piece of that foundation in Carr, and Bowe might well be the next piece.

I still contend that his 2010 draft was not nearly the great draft that others seem to believe it to be.

Dexter McCluster is just a guy, and Javier Arenas is a great 4th round pick, that we took in the second round.

I also still contend that this team would be further along if Bill KuHarich had been promoted to the GM spot, and Herman ****ing Edwards had been replaced with Ron Rivera, who I wanted the most at that time, or Jim Swartz.

Of course, that would not have happened, given Clark Hunt's affinity for Herman ****ing Edwards.

So at the end of the day, the man most responsible for all this shit is Hunt, as has been the case for the last 40 years.

Would you fire Pioli and lure a guy like Andy Reid who will be fired after this year?

[LiveSteam]

Originally Posted by milkman

So at the end of the day, the man most responsible for all this shit is Hunt, as has been the case for the last 40 years.

[007]

Hunt, the man that lost his balls after the Chiefs only superbowl win.

[mcaj22]

Andy Reid will never be fired

[milkman]

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

Would you fire Pioli and lure a guy like Andy Reid who will be fired after this year?

No.

I've always felt that Reid was overrated, and that Jimmy Johnson was the biggest reason for Reid's success.

My first choice today, as it was when Carl was fired, would be to lure Eric DeCosta to KC.

[007]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

Andy Reid will never be fired

Which is amazing considering its phickle Philly phans.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by Guru

Which is amazing considering its phickle Philly phans.

I also hear "Fire Charlie Manuel and Fire Doug Collins" all the time too from the same Philly fans

[okcchief]

Originally Posted by R8ers

Win a couple games in a row and everybody will be on Cassells sack like a fat kid on a jelly doughnut. Then the cycle resets again.

It would take at least one playoff win with Cassel performing well. Don't hold your breath.

[007]

Originally Posted by okcchief

It would take at least one playoff win with Cassel performing well. Don't hold your breath.

playoff - win - cassel - well

one of these does not belong.