The formerdb / Filmroom QB theory with facts even

[Dave Lane]

The short of it, this is NOT a QB driven league.

Say what?

Well here's some interesting facts he threw out there that at least may give you pause. I thought it was interesting series of tweets. The collective CP hive mind may be blown.

Big Ben attempted 16 passes a game in the season he won his first ring.

Is it Big Ben, Eli Manning, Rogers that turned the fortunes of Pittsburgh, NYG, Green Bay around? Seems to me they always been pretty good.

Statistically neither Brady or Big Ben's 23 SB rating screams elite to me at the times they won.

Since Tom Brady has put up elite numbers, his team hasn't won a SB, won 3 with above average numbers. But it's a QB driven league

Ben won with a rating in the 20's in his first SB.

During Pats SB runs with Pioli/Crennel/Daboll the QB rating of Tom Brady never surpassed the rating Cassel posted in 2010.

I disagree...SB have a way of getting spun overwhelmingly in the QB favor, when other factors contributed more at times.

Brady wasn't elite when he won. Like I said, myths. Research and tell me they were elite when they won. what about his second and third? Never had a higher rating than Cassel's 2010 rating...is Cassel elite?

Last 12 years 2 top 5 offenses have won SB, 5 top 10 offenses have won. Same span 5 top 5 defenses have won, 8 top 10 defenses have won SB.

In Big Ben's title runs he led the 15th and 22nd offense along with the 4th and 1st ranked defense...but it's a QB league.

if the offense can be top 10 then I would do backflips...what I am saying...ppl need to quit with the "QB league" mess.

yeah, it's a media spin job...not the statistical support needed to continue perpetuating the myth of "QB win SB".

‏From Me:

@TheFilmRoom Since according to your tweets its not a QB league is it your assertion the Chiefs can go to the SB with Cassel at the helm?

Cordell ‏@TheFilmRoom
If San Fran with Alex Smith can knock on the door along with Flacco, and Sanchez then I see it as a possibility.

[whoman69]

As someone who is paid for their opinion on football, this just makes you look bad.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini

Heres some other great examples:

Matt Cassel despite having a shitty 09' season splits 2 Cowboy defenders throwing to Dwayne Bowe to send the game into overtime.

Matt Cassel putting the Chiefs in FG position to beat Buffalo in 2010.

Then who can forgot the 2011 game vs San Diego? Matt Cassel throws to a wide open Steve Breaston to help put his team into position for a game winning field goal. Putting the Chiefs into 1st place.

You troll.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by milkman

I've banged this drum over and over again.

I've defined "Franchise QB" as a guy that makes plays when plays need to be made.

You don't need a QB to put up 4 or 5 thousand yards.

You need a QB that steps up when the game is on the line.

The one commonality about all of the last 10 or 12 SB winners, from Kurt Warner to Ben Roethlisberger to Eli Manning, is those QBs all stepped up and made plays when it mattered most.

This is why I'm still very much Pro Mark Sanchez.

I know Sanchez is erratic and is going to do some things to hurt you. That said, if you can polish some of that up, he's absolutely a guy that's proven capable of making huge plays in big moments to win games for his team.

Sanchez is who I view as a guy that has a chance to be a true 'game manager'. He's a guy that, if he can cut back by one major mistake per game, can keep his team in a game long enough to help them win it in the end.

The 'game manager' as Cassel is viewed, is just some schmuck that says the hell out of the way. That's not a game manager, it's a shitty quarterback.

Give me someone that's capable of pushing an offense and winning a game for us and I'll live with the mistakes. That's a guy that can catch fire and win you a playoff game or even more. A jittery dink and dunker like Cassel will never do a damn thing for us.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by morphius

yeah, and what you don't want is the guy that gets to 4th and goal and doesn't even try to force the ball in for a TD...

What's the problem here?

[lcarus]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

What's the problem here?

God I forgot all about that.....jesus...

[-King-]

My favorite Matt Cassel gif is the one against the Ravens. Dude stood in the pocket for 15 seconds and still threw a pick. Classic.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by -King-

This is the guy saying Stanzi is the best Qb at camp when most other reporters are saying Stanzi can barely beat Quinn.
Posted via Mobile Device

610 reported same thing today..

Said pretty much No chance of this team going with Stanzi over Quinn...

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by lcarus

God I forgot all about that.....jesus...

From the pick/screen game.

It's still the single worst thing I've ever seen Cassel do, including the screen and the 30 yd hail-mary that hit the cross-bar.

It so perfectly encapsulates Matt Cassel that there's really no point in presenting anything else against him. That was third and long early in the game and was a likely 80 yd bomb that makes that a completely different game.

It's just Cassel to the core. Don't even look to the primary read deep down the field, even though he's in the same area you're staring at. Just see RB and dump it.

What a schmuck.

[Bewbies]

Is there anyone alive that wants the ball in Cassel's hand down 4 with 2 minutes to go?

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by Bewbies

Is there anyone alive that wants the ball in Cassel's hand down 4 with 2 minutes to go?

Scott Pioli

[Bewbies]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Scott Pioli

There's a part of me that wishes he grabbed Cassel as a complete stop gap knowing he wasn't any good.

Then there's the evidence that our only other effort at QB is a 5th round hail mary.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by Bewbies

Is there anyone alive that wants the ball in Cassel's hand down 4 with 2 minutes to go?

I wrote this last year:

http://kan.scout.com/2/1110972.html

This is not a picture of an ascending player. Fans, as ignorant and reactionary as they can often be, are not blind. The majority have had enough.

That majority hit an all-time high after Sunday’s game-ending debacle in San Diego where Cassel, attempting to throw a screen pass to Dexter McCluster, inexplicably drilled Chargers safety Eric Weddle right in the belly with a perfectly thrown ball.

This came after a brilliant defensive stand by Kansas City’s defense and a 23-yard strike from Cassel to tight end Leonard Pope, giving hope that the Chiefs might win their first game of the season. But if you’ve followed Cassel’s career at all, you should know by now that there is no hope in such a situation.

That’s because quite literally, Cassel has never won a game when his team is trailing by seven or less in the fourth quarter with two minutes or less on the clock. Not one time in seven NFL seasons, 63 games and 48 starts. Not in New England, not in Kansas City and, the way it’s looking, not on planet Earth.

[ChiefsCountry]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

This is why I'm still very much Pro Mark Sanchez.

I know Sanchez is erratic and is going to do some things to hurt you. That said, if you can polish some of that up, he's absolutely a guy that's proven capable of making huge plays in big moments to win games for his team.

Sanchez is who I view as a guy that has a chance to be a true 'game manager'. He's a guy that, if he can cut back by one major mistake per game, can keep his team in a game long enough to help them win it in the end.

The 'game manager' as Cassel is viewed, is just some schmuck that says the hell out of the way. That's not a game manager, it's a shitty quarterback.

Give me someone that's capable of pushing an offense and winning a game for us and I'll live with the mistakes. That's a guy that can catch fire and win you a playoff game or even more. A jittery dink and dunker like Cassel will never do a damn thing for us.

This. Like I have always said Sanchez's ceiling is a Troy Aikman type. Never going to put up the Aaron Rodgers/Brady type machine stats but will make big plays to win games with the right team. Which we have.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

This. Like I have always said Sanchez's ceiling is a Troy Aikman type.

What's Brady Quinn's ceiling?

Matt Cassel?

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by Cassel's Reckoning

What's Brady Quinn's ceiling?

Matt Cassel?

NFL All Pro future HoF