Chiefs The Chiefs shouldn't select a QB in the 1st round - Page 43

kcbubb · 01-29-2009, 10:52 AM

The Chiefs should sign a free agent QB like Ryan Fitzpatrick. Or, if the Patriots would agree to it, swap first round picks with the Patriots for Matt Cassell.

The only defense in the league that was worse than the Chiefs was the 0-16 Detroit Lions. The Chiefs need, at a minimum, three new starters on defense (2 LB's & DE) if we stay in the 4-3. The Chiefs need defensive talent.

If the Chiefs do not swap first round picks with the Patriots for Cassell, the Chiefs would benefit the most by trading down and acquiring more picks and possibly getting more value out of their first round pick instead of reaching for a player. The Chiefs need defense with their first pick.

**SAUTO** · 02-02-2009, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

With Matt Cassell and alot of talent around him the Patriots are a fringe playoff team, with Tom Brady they are a superbowl team, any questions?

they still won 11 games. how do YOU know how this season would have worked out if brady stayed healthy. also it was cassell's 1st year starting Hell playing for all purposes

Mecca · 02-02-2009, 06:19 PM

How many times did you watch Cassell play?

There's more to a player than his stats.

**SAUTO** · 02-02-2009, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

How many times did you watch Cassell play?

There's more to a player than his stats.

probably as much as you. i watch every televised game, no sunday ticket you?

Mecca · 02-02-2009, 06:33 PM

I saw plenty of him and my thought is their coaching staff got the most out of him you could realistically expect.

His arm is not strong they ran the ball more than they had in years and let him throw short passes to Moss and Welker so they could run, it was smart for the 1 year they had to get by but he's not a player to build your team around.

**The Franchise** · 02-02-2009, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by kcbubb

I think the value of the #3 pick is OVERRATED and I do want to trade it.

Yes because possibly drafting a franchise QB is overrated.

Danman · 02-02-2009, 06:38 PM

Nope-the Pioli watch thread is still longer.

Cassell is a good back up QB period. He's not a franchise QB at all. Some poor team probably will pay too steep a price to get him and I hope it the Raiders. I'm sure Al Davis has already fallen in love with him. He can have him. I want Sanchez. I'm OK with him sitting for a year. Even if he signs for $70 mil. You're drafting him on what he'll be able to do in 2011 and beyond. Like I said in a previous post in this thread, realistically were no more than 6 wins next year.

Mecca · 02-02-2009, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23

Yes because possibly drafting a franchise QB is overrated.

People wanting to emulate the 90s team that never won shit is really starting to annoy me.

RustShack · 02-02-2009, 06:43 PM

With our high pick last year the Chiefs drafted a building block for the defense, this year we need our building block on offense. Later rounds, future drafts, and free agency should be used to build around these two players.

RustShack · 02-02-2009, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

come on mecca you are smarter than this

Yeah hes giving him too much credit, nearly any NFL QB could have done BETTER than Cassel could. Hell Thigpen might even put up better stats in that offense.

Mecca · 02-02-2009, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

With our high pick last year the Chiefs drafted a building block for the defense, this year we need our building block on offense. Later rounds, future drafts, and free agency should be used to build around these two players.

It's the same shit every year, we had a bunch of people last year talking about how Matt Ryan sucked and we shouldn't have any interest in picking him.

What do these people want? A offensive lineman or defensive player with every pick?

RustShack · 02-02-2009, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by pestilenceaf23

Yes because possibly drafting a franchise QB is overrated.

If you look at all the good teams right now, the majority of them drafted a QB in the first round.

**DaneMcCloud** · 02-02-2009, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

they still won 11 games. how do YOU know how this season would have worked out if brady stayed healthy. also it was cassell's 1st year starting Hell playing for all purposes

The only reason the Pittsburgh Steelers won the Super Bowl last night is because the best team in the AFC lost its starting QB in week one.

The mere fact that the Patriots won 11 games without Brady goes to show that they would have easily won 11 games with Brady.

Brady is the best quarterback in the league, bar none.

Matt Cassel is NOT Steve Young. Nor is he Trent Dilfer. He's likely Jeff Hostetler, a guy who has great results when surrounded by amazing talent and coaching, but is just average at best without it. He's not a game changer nor is he a Hall of Fame QB.

Cassel is a game manager who's not required to actually make plays and win games by himself.

**SAUTO** · 02-02-2009, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RustShack

Yeah hes giving him too much credit, nearly any NFL QB could have done BETTER than Cassel could. Hell Thigpen might even put up better stats in that offense.

COME ON man. what 4 or 5 400 yard games in a row while as mecca has said running more than in years. ANY qb could do that

**SAUTO** · 02-02-2009, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The only reason the Pittsburgh Steelers won the Super Bowl last night is because the best team in the AFC lost its starting QB in week one.

The mere fact that the Patriots won 11 games without Brady goes to show that they would have easily won 11 games with Brady.Brady is the best quarterback in the league, bar none.

Matt Cassel is NOT Steve Young. Nor is he Trent Dilfer. He's likely Jeff Hostetler, a guy who has great results when surrounded by amazing talent and coaching, but is just average at best without it. He's not a game changer nor is he a Hall of Fame QB.

Cassel is a game manager who's not required to actually make plays and win games by himself.

11 still would have left them out. and had brady stayed healthy other things could have happened. who is to say the rest of the year would have played out the same way?

Mecca · 02-02-2009, 06:49 PM

If Brady hadn't gotten injured the Pats would have been the 1 true elite team this year..this was the year of no elite teams because of his injury.

01-29-2009, 10:52 AM
kcbubb Veteran Join Date: Nov 2008 Casino cash: $6056719	The Chiefs shouldn't select a QB in the 1st round The Chiefs should sign a free agent QB like Ryan Fitzpatrick. Or, if the Patriots would agree to it, swap first round picks with the Patriots for Matt Cassell. The only defense in the league that was worse than the Chiefs was the 0-16 Detroit Lions. The Chiefs need, at a minimum, three new starters on defense (2 LB's & DE) if we stay in the 4-3. The Chiefs need defensive talent. If the Chiefs do not swap first round picks with the Patriots for Cassell, the Chiefs would benefit the most by trading down and acquiring more picks and possibly getting more value out of their first round pick instead of reaching for a player. The Chiefs need defense with their first pick.
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02-02-2009, 06:19 PM	#632
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2087050	How many times did you watch Cassell play? There's more to a player than his stats.
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02-02-2009, 06:33 PM	#634
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2087050	I saw plenty of him and my thought is their coaching staff got the most out of him you could realistically expect. His arm is not strong they ran the ball more than they had in years and let him throw short passes to Moss and Welker so they could run, it was smart for the 1 year they had to get by but he's not a player to build your team around.
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02-02-2009, 06:38 PM	#636
Danman Starter Join Date: Jan 2009 Casino cash: $10005175	Nope-the Pioli watch thread is still longer. Cassell is a good back up QB period. He's not a franchise QB at all. Some poor team probably will pay too steep a price to get him and I hope it the Raiders. I'm sure Al Davis has already fallen in love with him. He can have him. I want Sanchez. I'm OK with him sitting for a year. Even if he signs for $70 mil. You're drafting him on what he'll be able to do in 2011 and beyond. Like I said in a previous post in this thread, realistically were no more than 6 wins next year.
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RustShack **** That Noise Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Jack Trice Casino cash: $4546954	With our high pick last year the Chiefs drafted a building block for the defense, this year we need our building block on offense. Later rounds, future drafts, and free agency should be used to build around these two players. __________________
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Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $2087050	If Brady hadn't gotten injured the Pats would have been the 1 true elite team this year..this was the year of no elite teams because of his injury.
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